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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Think I know the answer, but this is a good question IMO, Today I picked up an unrated dvd (Believers, 012569838178) and while it's unrated, there is a sticker on the keepcase cover (under the slip for some reason) that says: "Content Advisory for Violence and Explicit Sexual Situations" Think that qualifies to go in the ratings info box? I could argue both sides of this personally, which is why I'm asking the masses.  What say you? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would say no. The MPAA doesn't give this rating so don't give reasons for it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,639 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Unicus. You purchased the unrated version of the DVD which has different content than the R rated version shown in theaters, but it's also just an additional sticker.
What's strange is the content advisory, and maybe it's just that a "Content Advisory", doesn't even match the MPAA rating for the R rated film which is simply "for language". | | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 585 |
| | Posted: | | | | My initial reaction was to say go ahead and include it, but on further thought I'd say not to but only because the description is on a sticker and not the case itself.
If there was an Unrated film that had a description printed on the DVD cover then I would be for including it. Who cares about the MPAA? I realize they are the ones who generally give us the description for rated films, but nothing in the rules says you can only provide a rating description if the MPAA issued one. Just as the rules state, if there is a description given either on the DVD cover or a screen that comes up when playing the DVD, then include it. That's what the field is there for.
And to go a step further, if this was up for vote then I would say to include the description even if it's only on a sticker, but I understand the rules do not support that. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | For R1 films, the MPAA is the only one that gives these rating details. Why? Because they are the only ones who give ratings. An NR rating simply means that this particular version of the film was not submitted for ratings consideration.
A content advisory is not the same thing as rating details. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 585 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
For R1 films, the MPAA is the only one that gives these rating details. Why? Because they are the only ones who give ratings. An NR rating simply means that this particular version of the film was not submitted for ratings consideration.
A content advisory is not the same thing as rating details. This is where I think we differ. The MPAA is not the "only one that gives these ratings details". They are the "official" source when a movie is "rated", but honestly even that is a joke nowadays. The MPAA is archaic, backwards, and bows to big studios and even their wording is a bit questionable at times. Okay, but going past my personal feelings, when a movie is "Unrated" but the producers or director or distributer or whoever decides to include their own description of what you can expect to see in their film, are we to ignore that? Again, the rules state nothing about "official" ratings or "MPAA" or anything of that sort. The field is there as a way to describe what you are going to see when you watch this movie. If it's printed somewhere I think it should be included. As I said, in this particular case, since it's on a removable sticker I agree that it cannot be added per the current rules. But if this was a NR film and a description was included on the case or a screen before the movie (and I've seen a couple of these) then I would be all for including it since apparently the filmmakers thought so as well. Unless something in the rules specifically says otherwise, at least in the particular case of an Unrated film, I don't see how the Content Advisory would not be the same thing as the rating details (as long as it's specific). The only purpose of that field in the application is to let the viewer know what to expect should they watch this film. I understand the need to have some "official" place for this info to come from, but things do get tricky with so many "Unrated" and "Director's Cut" releases being made every Tuesday. I'm not advocating a free-for-all for the descriptions, just saying if the film isn't rated and it's on the box or a screen when viewing, then there's no reason not to include it. The rules support that. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Vega: Quote:
This is where I think we differ. The MPAA is not the "only one that gives these ratings details". They are the "official" source when a movie is "rated", but honestly even that is a joke nowadays. The MPAA is archaic, backwards, and bows to big studios and even their wording is a bit questionable at times. Opinions vary, but they are the only game in town. Quote:
Okay, but going past my personal feelings, when a movie is "Unrated" but the producers or director or distributer or whoever decides to include their own description of what you can expect to see in their film, are we to ignore that? Again, the rules state nothing about "official" ratings or "MPAA" or anything of that sort. The field is there as a way to describe what you are going to see when you watch this movie. If it's printed somewhere I think it should be included.
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I have yet to see a single unrated release that includes this type of information. If you can show me one, I would appreciate it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Vega:
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This is where I think we differ. The MPAA is not the "only one that gives these ratings details". They are the "official" source when a movie is "rated", but honestly even that is a joke nowadays. The MPAA is archaic, backwards, and bows to big studios and even their wording is a bit questionable at times.
Opinions vary, but they are the only game in town.
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Okay, but going past my personal feelings, when a movie is "Unrated" but the producers or director or distributer or whoever decides to include their own description of what you can expect to see in their film, are we to ignore that? Again, the rules state nothing about "official" ratings or "MPAA" or anything of that sort. The field is there as a way to describe what you are going to see when you watch this movie. If it's printed somewhere I think it should be included.
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I have yet to see a single unrated release that includes this type of information. If you can show me one, I would appreciate it. I knew I saw one, and it's Havoc: Unrated (upc 794043843228). Unrated for Strong Sexual Content, Nudity, Pervasive Language, Violence, Drug and Alcohol Use - All Invovling Teens The scan isn't the best, but the ratings box is near the lower right corner and you can see it has something in it. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I have yet to see a single unrated release that includes this type of information. If you can show me one, I would appreciate it. I have seen it... and yes I contributed it... commenting how it is a rare case... but since it is on the case (the #1 place to take the info according to the rules) I submitted and it was approved. Night Scream: (09600944396)  Where in the case we are talking it is only on a sticker... that I would not contribute... and would vote no to if I saw it up for vote. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah Pete, Echo Bridge Home Entertainment does that with many of their recent "Not Rated" DVD releases, especially with the TV movies. I have quite a few in my collection that have that same "Not Rated" rating label on them. Often they will even say multiple things in the box like:
Violence - Profanity
Adult Situations - Violence - Nudity | | | | Corey |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I had a feeling that it had something to do with the company that released it. Thanks for the confirmation Corey. For the record... The rules states: Quote:
Enter rating details as shown, excluding the rating itself and trailing period. e.g. "Rated R for sci-fi violence and brief language." is entered as "Sci-fi Violence and Brief Language". Obtain the rating details in order of preference from:
* DVD case, usually on the bottom rear
* Rating page displayed on-screen
* Filmratings.com, or the equivalent region-specific ratings information website
For English profiles, capitalize all words except joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. For non-English profiles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the profile, as commonly used for titles. In all cases, the first word will be automatically capitalized in your submission. So there is no mention of being official MPAA rating details... no mention of MPAA what-so-ever... I see absolutely nothing in the rules to suggest anything like that at all... So I do believe in the cases where it is on the DVD Case, a rating page display onscreen or filmratings.com (or such for your region) then it should indeed be added into profiler. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok here is another one. I just submitted Ratatouille (786936-738025) and on the case below the rating "G" it says, "All Ages Admitted," so I added that along with another update. None of the voters had a problem with it except one who said, ""All Ages Admitted" isn't a rating detail. MPAA.org/filmratings.com have no details for this, just "G" (you can't say "Rated G for All Ages Admitted")" Well the rules say to use the case first and then move onto the other options. The way I look at is that its in the rating block, just like the other descriptions, so it should be included. | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eagle61397: Quote:
Ok here is another one. I just submitted Ratatouille (786936-738025) and on the case below the rating "G" it says, "All Ages Admitted," so I added that along with another update. None of the voters had a problem with it except one who said, ""All Ages Admitted" isn't a rating detail. MPAA.org/filmratings.com have no details for this, just "G" (you can't say "Rated G for All Ages Admitted")" Well the rules say to use the case first and then move onto the other options. The way I look at is that its in the rating block, just like the other descriptions, so it should be included. "All Ages Admitted" is the same as "Restricted" for "R" rated films. It is not a rating description. If you mouse over the "G" rating, you will see that "All ages permitted" is programmed in already. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eagle61397: Quote:
Ok here is another one. I just submitted Ratatouille (786936-738025) and on the case below the rating "G" it says, "All Ages Admitted," so I added that along with another update. None of the voters had a problem with it except one who said, ""All Ages Admitted" isn't a rating detail. MPAA.org/filmratings.com have no details for this, just "G" (you can't say "Rated G for All Ages Admitted")" Well the rules say to use the case first and then move onto the other options. The way I look at is that its in the rating block, just like the other descriptions, so it should be included. I agree with the no voter on that. That is not the rating details... but the definition of a G Rating. Which is already preserved in Profiler... we don't need it a second time. \ See Here... This is how it is now (without Rating Details):  Here is how you are submitting: (with Ratings Details added)  As I said... this is different then Rating Details... it is more of a definition for the rating itself... which is already there... why would we want to see it on there twice? | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks to Hal and Addicted for pointing the mouse roll-over to me, didn't know you could do that. I've re-submitted my contribuition without the rating change. | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eagle61397: Quote:
Thanks to Hal and Addicted for pointing the mouse roll-over to me, didn't know you could do that. I've re-submitted my contribuition without the rating change. Not only you could see those two in the tooltip ("mouse roll-over"), but you could see them in the profile display of your online collection as well. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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