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| Registered: March 10, 2007 |  Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
YES! That is how most of us has always done it... and is the info that I believe most of us is after.
But I still feel the need to add unrated to the ratings... and change it from NR to Unrated! It definitely is not the way it has been done in the past. The change as stated would result in the majority of all ratings being removed from the database. Any playable version of the film that is not rated would include any that are played with a commentary track, with deleted scenes, alternate angles, etc. Again, I don't think that's what we're after. If we can agree that this is not the result we're after, then let's consider proper wording that would avoid this result. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is how everyone of the ones in my collection has always been done. At least until your updated rule on it. And as you can see by the last several posts... and the poll itself.... it is how the majority here wants it. | | | | Pete |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,735 |
| | Posted: | | | | It seems that people are forgetting that "Unrated" has become a marketing gimmick rather than actually saying something about the contents... Before long, half of the DVD releases will have "UNRATED" plastered over it, because the distributors expect that to benefit the sales. And the way this is going, that means that half of the DVD releases will have no rating anymore. And that's aside from the obvious problems with deleted scenes, commentaries and so on that aren't rated, turning the disc into "NR" as well. All in all, I personally don't see the upside... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken:
It's never included Comentary or anything else. We deal strictly with the Feature Film and if my memory serves the Rule used to be something along the lines of if two versions are present then we use the highest rated version and as has been stated Unrated/NR trumps Rated. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | For the nth time, the old rule simply did not cover this condition and was confusing many users. We're not going back to the old rule.
Let's talk instead about how we should word the rule now. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, Pete, Forget arev 100% correct,
we always only dealt with the main feature and if a disk had an unrated / not rated version on it, this was always what we entered, no matter if there was a rated version on the disk too.
It was always been done this way.
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
For the nth time, the old rule simply did not cover this condition and was confusing many users. We're not going back to the old rule.
Let's talk instead about how we should word the rule now. I am really confused here, are you suggesting that if a DVD/BLu-Ray has for example and unrated and a PG-13 version on the disk, we enter PG-13 in the rating field ? This cannot seriously be what you want to do  Everyone always has entered NOt rated then. Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would simply put...
If the main feature has a rated and an unrated version of the movie us NR (or Unrated if we get that). | | | | Pete |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,735 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
We deal strictly with the Feature Film Why would you, honestly? Why do we track ratings in the first place? If you wouldn't want your children to see an R-rated disc, then why would you give 'em a "PG" DVD that still has deleted scenes that would have been rated R? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? In that regard, I find the way they deal with ratings in the U.K. much more sensible: there, all content on the DVD has to be rated, including deleted scenes, commentaries, and the like. Whatever part of the contents gets the highest rating, that's the rating given to the DVD, and that makes much more sense to me. |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Donnie, I'm sorry I don't know what you're referring to. Are you talking about the current rule? If so, yes, that's the way it's written. If you're talking about the current discussion, no, that's backwards. The current discussion is how to word the rule going forward. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The difference Ken as I see it is that you want to add a conditional which will confuse far more, that's the nature of conditionals. I understand that the Rule did not cover the express situation you are describing, but most of us understood that Unrated and NR were essentially the same thing, it was just an issue of terminology, neither of which are recognized by the MPAA or any other ratings body I am familiar with. The highest rating for MPAA officially is NC-17 but that a horse of a different color.
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
The difference Ken as I see it is that you want to add a conditional which will confuse far more, that's the nature of conditionals. I understand that the Rule did not cover the express situation you are describing, but most of us understood that Unrated and NR were essentially the same thing, it was just an issue of terminology, neither of which are recognized by the MPAA or any other ratings body I am familiar with. The highest rating for MPAA officially is NC-17 but that a horse of a different color.
Skip Fully agree with what you wrote Skip | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
The difference Ken as I see it is that you want to add a conditional which will confuse far more, that's the nature of conditionals. I understand that the Rule did not cover the express situation you are describing, but most of us understood that Unrated and NR were essentially the same thing, it was just an issue of terminology, neither of which are recognized by the MPAA or any other ratings body I am familiar with. The highest rating for MPAA officially is NC-17 but that a horse of a different color.
Skip I don't know what conditional you're referring to. The discussion at hand is how to word the rule so that it fits the way the members of this discussion were submitting ratings, without causing users to remove ratings when there is any unrated content (deleted scenes, commentary, etc). | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Donnie, I'm sorry I don't know what you're referring to. Are you talking about the current rule? If so, yes, that's the way it's written. If you're talking about the current discussion, no, that's backwards. The current discussion is how to word the rule going forward. Ok, I would say the following. Rule: If a DVD/Blu-Ray has and Unrated or Not Rated version on it, use the NR as the rating, no matter if they are any rated versions on that release too. Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just in case this was missed... Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I would simply put...
If the main feature has a rated and an unrated version of the movie use NR (or Unrated if we get that). or maybe better... Rating the main feature only (movie only) If there is an Unrated version as well as a Rated version use NR (or Unrated if we get that). | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim: I wouldn't give my grand kids such a film as you describe, UNLESS I was going to watch it with them, or I was aware of the content and determined it to be OK. I mean, heck, my grandkids were here a few weeks ago and they wanted to watch a R movie they had found, had it in the player and ready to go...I looked at them and said not in this house. They said but Daddy let's us watch them, I said this isn't your Daddy's house and you will not watch it in THIS house, when you get back home then your Daddy makes the Rules....here I make them...NO.  You can probably guess the grandkids did not win.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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