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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Now you see the problem, Martian.
You have now introduced something completely different. You say NR mean something....to you...I don't know how you back that up because i see what you typed as NBR and I have never seen that one. NR=Not Rated  , Nr and Unrated are two like terms, they mean essentially the SAME thing. Yet Ken was trying to apply separate definitions, and that was demonstrated to a be a problem, so then he changed it to NR to really mean Unrated in SOME cases and in others it would be NR. Now you know how I feel abut data, if it says Not Rated then it's not Unrated (even though they mean essentially the same thing), I would also say if it says Unrated, ideally that is what we should enter for a rating, but probably NOT from the Edition field.
<scratching head> I am at a loss here as this has been explained several times now. We have two distinct types of unrated releases: Films that have never been rated.Unrated/Not rated versions of rated films.At the moment, we track both of those items under the 'NR' rating. With Ken's proposed addition, of an 'Unrated' rating, we will be splitting them up. I am at a loss as to why this seems so difficult to understand.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Obviously part of the problem seems to be one of language, I have no idea where Never Been Rated came from, it's not a term i have seen with any title, before you brought it in, Martian. My suspicion is that it is a personal interpretation, but that would NBR NOT NR. So if we are going to get on the same page, we have to be speaking the same language. You are reading way to much into this. There are titles that have never been rated, are there not? All I was saying is that 20% of my collection is 'Unrated/Not Rated'...films that had a rating during their theatrical run but were released on DVD/Blu-ray as unrated/not rated editions...which is not the same as NR...films that never recieved a rating. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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All this parental control talk has muddied the waters as this isn't about parental controls.
That's why I've said that you can change it for the term "NR self-assign rating" in this post (does someone take the time to read what the others write?) if the term "parental control" isn't the issue. The ratings are already correct as they are in the database and what you ask for is a personal thing, so it goes in the personal preferences. NR means non rated and Unrated means was not rated, no difference at all. I sure don't see any difference... I have exlpained the difference, several times now, so if you still don't see it then I can't help you. All I can say is there is a difference between films that have never been rated and unrated versions of rated films. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: January 11, 2008 | | Posts: 168 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I see it there is a lot of TV films with the NR rating, most if not 99.9% of them are good for all to view. Does anyone know of a movie film that has an Unrated version that was released as a G rated before that? Never seen one myself. I think that something should be added to make it possible to filter films for people with kids. To me NR is the lowest setting as it has so many in the TV line that are G rated at best. And Unrated is for the most part on films that had a rating as high or higher than PG-13. So the idea of adding an Unrated tic is good with it standing for TV or films with content at or higher than what would be rated as PG-13.
For films with an Unrated title the idea of a tic for adult would work as you can leave it unchecked for any if they exist film/TV that have G content. And keep NR for any films/TV that are G rated content.
I am not saying that we will change a rated film or TV form G or R or whatever to Unrated/NR...
If a film has a version out that is R or you know its content to be R rated, and you just got an Unrated version of the film, this film should be checked as Unrated not NR. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
If this is not bout setting up age limits, then what is the point of the argument.
Unrated technically is not a rating. As far as ratings go, Skip is right, there is no difference between Not Rated and Unrated. If you want to keep track of your Unrated movies, then you have NR. Isn't that what that is for? 
Now I am really confused by the argument.  Unrated/Not Rated is not an MPAA rating, but it is a rating...created by the Home Entertainment industry. On, almost, every unrated release I own, it is printed in the exact same area and manner as the standard ratings are. For me, it isn't so much about filtering as it is about having accurate data. Listing the rating for 'xXx: Uncensored Unrated Director's Cut' as R is inaccurate as it is no longer rated R. Under the old rating rule, I entered as NR. Under the new rule, I have to enter it as R. That, to me, makes no sense and that is what I wanted changed. Looking at the vote from the other thread, 56 to 21, I am not alone. During that conversation, the idea of adding an 'Unrated' rating came up. It came up because some people did not want films like Saw, lumped in with films like The Alamo...something they have been bothered by for a long time. While I really don't care that they are lumped together, I can agree with that suggestion because it gives me back what I had and makes them happy. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I have exlpained the difference, several times now, so if you still don't see it then I can't help you.
The problem is that you think there is a difference where there is none... You play with the words that's all. |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I have exlpained the difference, several times now, so if you still don't see it then I can't help you. All I can say is there is a difference between films that have never been rated and unrated versions of rated films. This I do get, Unrated (typically) have had a theatrical rating by a rating authority. "UNRATED" is nothing more than an edition. It is marketing hype. While I agree that the films that never have been rated are a special issue, the "Unrated films should be easy. In region 1 (US) the rating field has always been misused, misnamed , or something. US does not rate video releases. The only rating that we have ever had was the theatrical release rating. Wheb it says PG-13 on the back and Theatrical cut on the front, that PG-13 is a theatrical rating. Since we have been using it already, except for "UNRATED releases, and Actual NR (never rated by rating authority for theater), lets just start using the Theatrical rating, and leave the unrated for the edition field. This way, except for films that are truly not rated, we have a "guide" for age appropriateness. and still track the edition (just like for directors cut, or special edition) This would require a simple rule change. Any thing else that makes since would require a program change.... MHO Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I THINK I agree with the premise, Rom. Where I disagree is in the invention of data. If it say NOT RATED then we go with NR, we could do NR/Unrated if Ken wanted to roll them into one which would be correct. But if it says Unrated then I would favor being able to follow the ACTUAL data...Unrated. There have been numerous changes made based on shoehorns, creating fiction instead of following the data, and nearly every one of them has proven problematic and will continue to be so, the easiest answer is always to follow the data. No, fiction just data. Data is that which can be seen by every user and entered by ALL as it is seen, fiction is that data which is imagined or desired by any given user, if such data departs in any way from the Actual data, then it becomes a fiction and belongs only in the users local in ALL cases, NO exceptions. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I have exlpained the difference, several times now, so if you still don't see it then I can't help you.
The problem is that you think there is a difference where there is none... You play with the words that's all. Then you and I have nothing left to discuss. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I have exlpained the difference, several times now, so if you still don't see it then I can't help you.
The problem is that you think there is a difference where there is none... You play with the words that's all.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I have exlpained the difference, several times now, so if you still don't see it then I can't help you. All I can say is there is a difference between films that have never been rated and unrated versions of rated films.
This I do get, Unrated (typically) have had a theatrical rating by a rating authority. "UNRATED" is nothing more than an edition. It is marketing hype.
While I agree that the films that never have been rated are a special issue, the "Unrated films should be easy.
In region 1 (US) the rating field has always been misused, misnamed , or something. US does not rate video releases. The only rating that we have ever had was the theatrical release rating. Wheb it says PG-13 on the back and Theatrical cut on the front, that PG-13 is a theatrical rating.
Since we have been using it already, except for "UNRATED releases, and Actual NR (never rated by rating authority for theater), lets just start using the Theatrical rating, and leave the unrated for the edition field.
This way, except for films that are truly not rated, we have a "guide" for age appropriateness. and still track the edition (just like for directors cut, or special edition)
This would require a simple rule change. Any thing else that makes since would require a program change....
MHO
Charlie I agree but that takes us back to Parental Contro. Since there is no Rating authority involved in these titles there is also NO standard for parental control. Therefore, the age appropriateness becomes a purely local issue that is not Contributable, otherwise we get into Age Appropriateness by Skip, or The Martian or whomever and that is something that is totally inappropriate. If you want to see IF Skip put an age on a given NR film then look at his collection, because Skip will not force his standards or what he views as age appropriate upon the Online, I am not raising anyone's children but my own and/or my grandchildren. I don't want to be responsible for setting age standards for Pete, EVEN if he wants to simply because he would prefer to not to have to edit everything he owns himself, or whatever the reason, it is simply not appropriate for me to push that on you nor is appropriate for you to push it on me or any other user. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is no rating authority for any video release in the US.
So by your standards, all ratings for R1 US releases should be completely removed.
Is this what you are saying?
Charlie |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I have exlpained the difference, several times now, so if you still don't see it then I can't help you.
The problem is that you think there is a difference where there is none... You play with the words that's all. Perhaps in Canada there is no difference. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No not at all, there is a rating authority for film the MPAA, i don't know who the supposed rating authority is on TV, we see it so seldom in the disc market, but there is one. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting AESP_pres:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I have exlpained the difference, several times now, so if you still don't see it then I can't help you.
The problem is that you think there is a difference where there is none... You play with the words that's all.
Perhaps in Canada there is no difference. All well and good Alien, but I do believe that ken said he wanted to focus on R1 US, and i would say for good reason at the moment. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Romzarah: Quote:
As I see it there is a lot of TV films with the NR rating, most if not 99.9% of them are good for all to view. I don't think that most of the TV films and shows get a TV-G today in the USA. |
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