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Maybe useless to you, midnit, but the fictional data folks are useless to me. We can't have users just flying around and entering whatever they want to enter in whatever way they want.

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Someone (in addition to Skip) please tell me why you want to enter NR if the front says Unrated and the box on the back says Not Rated.  Please explain how this brings value to the typical user.  Why is that preferable to it being entered as Unrated? It won't sort or filter correctly.  We know that.  So what makes that option better?

I'm genuinely curious here.  I feel like I missing some big point to that solution.

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Quoting Mark Harrison:

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Someone (in addition to Skip) please tell me why you want to enter NR if the front says Unrated and the box on the back says Not Rated.  Please explain how this brings value to the typical user.  Why is that preferable to it being entered as Unrated? It won't sort or filter correctly.  We know that.  So what makes that option better?

I'm genuinely curious here.  I feel like I missing some big point to that solution.

My understanding is that there is a quite real sense of dread for some users to enter anything other than what is written on the box.  Ironically, this is the same crowd that does understand that color is a bad idea in the overview, yet for everything else usability takes a backseat to exact recreation.  If I have this right, the ultimate goal is to essentially turn the database into a gigantic set of index cards thrown into a shoebox.  You can pick one or two different ways to order the cards, but basically nothing really links together.  However, the information is a perfectly transcribed.  I may have this wrong but that seems to be the gist of what I'm picking up.

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Well, I thought I already answered that.

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Because it is the "rating" that has been assigned to this DVD.  It's that simple.  It will be stored in the field called "rating", therefore, I want the actual rating assigned to the DVD to be in that field.  Not some arbitrary verbiage from the front cover.

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"Not Rated" does not sort correctly now 100% of the time.  "Unrated" will not sort correctly 100% f the time with this new Rule.

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I'm obviously in the minority here, and feel like I am just repeating myself at this point, so it''s time for me to bow out.

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I support adding "Unrated" to the rating list.  I just do not support over-riding "Not Rated" when it appears in the rating box on the back of the DVD with "Unrated" when it appears on the front cover.

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The issue many have with the current rule is with titles that have "Unrated" on the front, but "R" on the back in the rating box.  The proposed solution solves how to handle this in a way that does not require a program change.

I'll repeat for those who didn't catch this earlier.  If the next program update includes a better solution, and we choose to merge NR and Unrated, it will be automatic and will not require any sort of manual "fixing".

So, why not a program update now?  Three words: Firewall, Virus Scanner.  The number of users who run the program greatly dwarfs the number who visit these forums, much less the number who choose to post.  Multiply this number by the percent who have their firewall/virus scanners set up in a way which causes hassle for new installations, and who don't have the knowledge to handle the issues.  The net result is a large cost in time for our team to handle these calls.

Bottom line is, we'll look at this for the next update.  In the mean time, this addition lets users segregate their titles without assigning a fixed rating (PG, R, etc), which is something we could not hope to automate for a conversion with the next release.

We'll separately discuss whether to keep "Unrated" when we start the betas for the next version, and after users get a chance to use whatever permanent solution we devise.

I think, I must apologize.  I know my arguments at the beginning were intense, and took a oh well Back off near the end. 

Sometimes, I forget that there are other issues that may not effect the small section of this world that we live in.  Sometimes "I" forget that as a programmer, you may have to deal with other issues, that at the time are more important than, what we here think is vastly important.  If nothing else, we are passionate

Unfortunately, once he decision had been made, we should have accepted the resolution and moved on.  After all, it is your program, and I would imagine that you can have some pretty big "virtual headaches" (maybe real ones too)..

Keep up the good work, we are passionate, because it is a good program and want to keep it that way...

Charlie