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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Quoting AESP_pres:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I have exlpained the difference, several times now, so if you still don't see it then I can't help you.
The problem is that you think there is a difference where there is none... You play with the words that's all.
Perhaps in Canada there is no difference.
All well and good Alien, but I do believe that ken said he wanted to focus on R1 US, and i would say for good reason at the moment. Then all the more reason to add the "unrated" tag. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Even the Ratings authority in the US is only advisory.
And parental control, yes within the program. While I have watched nearly every video in my collection (except for a few which I was given), I have a real good idea of the personal feelings of age appropriateness of any of my movies. I work 50+ hours a week, and my wife has not even watched 1/2 the movies I have (not a video buff, go figure). Without the advisories, and without me going through and setting each 1 individually, what is she supposed to base a decision on, when the kids want to watch a movie?
What I propose is simple.
What I propose is not control, it is advisory. It is a basis for judgement and nothing more.
Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
No not at all, there is a rating authority for film the MPAA, i don't know who the supposed rating authority is on TV, we see it so seldom in the disc market, but there is one. There is no rating authority for TV. Programs are voluntarily rated by broadcast and cable television networks, or program producers. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Alien:
I have no problem with adding an Unrated Tag, in addition to Not Rated (NR), i do have a problem with attempting create two separate for definitions for them they are essentially the same animal, juast with different names.
Now I am going to list some things as I uncover them
Dark Water: Unrated Widescreen Edition
There is no indication of ANY sort of rating anywhere other than as part of the Edition. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Alien:
I have no problem with adding an Unrated Tag, in addition to Not Rated (NR), i do have a problem with attempting create two separate for definitions for them they are essentially the same animal, juast with different names.
Now I am going to list some things as I uncover them
Dark Water: Unrated Widescreen Edition
There is no indication of ANY sort of rating anywhere other than as part of the Edition. Why does that matter? It is still the unrated version, isn't it?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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No not at all, there is a rating authority for film the MPAA, i don't know who the supposed rating authority is on TV, we see it so seldom in the disc market, but there is one.
There is no rating authority for TV. Programs are voluntarily rated by broadcast and cable television networks, or program producers. No we are mincing words, the Rating is produced by something, it does not magically appear. If you want to chew up the words and say that the US has no rating authority that anyone is legally answerable then you are correct. Bu there is still an authority, o board, asomething that produces the rating, I have never heard of a Rating just mystically appearing out of nothing. Oh Merlin, Merlin wherefore art thou Merlin, you mystical abilities are required. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: January 11, 2008 | | Posts: 168 |
| | Posted: | | | | A tic could be added to personalize that would let the user control how all films and TV are filtered. Unrated should be added to reflect the info on the cover.
Yes this may need to wait for the next update for the personalize tic. But we need a way to filter content for kids.
I don't use this as I am alone, but see the need. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Alien:
I have no problem with adding an Unrated Tag, in addition to Not Rated (NR), i do have a problem with attempting create two separate for definitions for them they are essentially the same animal, juast with different names.
Now I am going to list some things as I uncover them
Dark Water: Unrated Widescreen Edition
There is no indication of ANY sort of rating anywhere other than as part of the Edition.
Why does that matter? It is still the unrated version, isn't it? I am listing what I find, martian. I am making no judgements, I am mreely reporting findings. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Alien:
I have no problem with adding an Unrated Tag, in addition to Not Rated (NR), i do have a problem with attempting create two separate for definitions for them they are essentially the same animal, juast with different names.
Now I am going to list some things as I uncover them
Dark Water: Unrated Widescreen Edition
There is no indication of ANY sort of rating anywhere other than as part of the Edition. What rating in R1US would you expect to see? 2005 Dark Water (ditributed by Buena Vista Pictures) received a PG-13 rating from the only advisory the US has. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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No not at all, there is a rating authority for film the MPAA, i don't know who the supposed rating authority is on TV, we see it so seldom in the disc market, but there is one.
There is no rating authority for TV. Programs are voluntarily rated by broadcast and cable television networks, or program producers.
No we are mincing words, the Rating is produced by something, it does not magically appear. If you want to chew up the words and say that the US has no rating authority that anyone is legally answerable then you are correct. Bu there is still an authority, o board, asomething that produces the rating, I have never heard of a Rating just mystically appearing out of nothing. Oh Merlin, Merlin wherefore art thou Merlin, you mystical abilities are required. There is no MPAA equivalent for TV. The TV industry and the public advocacy comunity created the ratings that the FCC found acceptable. Those ratings are assigned by broadcast and cable television networks, or program producers. There is no authority or board...well, there is a monitoring board, but they don't assign ratings. There is a website that explains the ratings, but that is it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I am listing what I find, martian. I am making no judgements, I am mreely reporting findings. To what end? We all know, at least I think we all know, that there are releases out there where the only indication that it is unrated comes from the edition. So color me | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, in point fact, the early indications are that while any rating is a bit of a marketing gimmick. It appears that Unrated appears to be pure marketing as it is not tied to the ratimngs in any way that i have found yet. It appears to be simply part of the edition, which I would not of necessity call a Rating, thats' the edition not the rating. But to be fair, I must also state that i have no yet found an instance that uses Unrated in Edition, that then includes any sort of rating information in the traditional areas we look for it. Not even any mention of Unrated, the Unrated ONLY seems to appear in the Edition. Interesting; I am not sure what conclusions to draw yet; if any, but it is interesting. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Alien:
I have no problem with adding an Unrated Tag, in addition to Not Rated (NR), i do have a problem with attempting create two separate for definitions for them they are essentially the same animal, juast with different names.
Now I am going to list some things as I uncover them
Dark Water: Unrated Widescreen Edition
There is no indication of ANY sort of rating anywhere other than as part of the Edition.
What rating in R1US would you expect to see?
2005 Dark Water (ditributed by Buena Vista Pictures) received a PG-13 rating from the only advisory the US has. Charlie: I might have expected to find either NR, Not Rated or Unrated in the traditional places for such information, despite the fact that there is no theatrical cut included. But there is nothing, that surprised me, aside from the Edition field. This issue has become far too muddied, every time i think i have it sorted out somebody throws something else. So I am going back to square one and doin some of the research to see what conclusions i can come to if any. I don't think there is anybody that understands this, I know at the moment, I sure as hell don't. I can't even figure out what Pete is really after and that is rare. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just to let you know, I am out of this discussion, it gets way too much detailed imho. For me too Not rated is exactly the same as Unrated. I will lock down stuff for now and then see what KEN will do  cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Well, in point fact, the early indications are that while any rating is a bit of a marketing gimmick. It appears that Unrated appears to be pure marketing as it is not tied to the ratimngs in any way that i have found yet. It appears to be simply part of the edition, which I would not of necessity call a Rating, thats' the edition not the rating. But to be fair, I must also state that i have no yet found an instance that uses Unrated in Edition, that then includes any sort of rating information in the traditional areas we look for it. Not even any mention of Unrated, the Unrated ONLY seems to appear in the Edition. Interesting; I am not sure what conclusions to draw yet; if any, but it is interesting. Most of my unrated editions have 'Unrated' or 'Not Rated', in a little rating style box, on the back of the case where the MPAA rating is usually located. A few don't, but most do. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Martian:
I am aware of that particularly when it comes to Not Rated or SOMETIMES NR. I think I have seen such a box for Unrated, though far less commonly, Unrated appears to be almost purely 100% marketing, not rating, Can you point me at a title that has Unrated where we would normally look for such info, like i said I think I have seen it a few times but i certainly can't think of one.
If I am correct I think it is a mighty stretch to try and turn Edition data into rating data. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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