Quoting DarklyNoon:

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So why would anyone want to enter PG / R-Rated / PG-13 or something like this, if there is also an UNRATED / NOT RATED version on the disk ???

I'll try to give some reasons.  First - unless adding the Unrated option is implemented - I support the rule as it's currently written.  And the reasons I'm going to give cover why.  However, adding an option of Unrated to the drop down would solve the reasons I would use any rating over NR and (it seems) satisfy those who don't want to use the rating.  Right now, locally I enter ratings for any film that was previously rated, whether or not the rated version exists on the disc or not, and lock that field.

So, onto those reasons:

1.  What does NR tell you?  What information does it impart?  Absolutely nothing.  It tells you nothing about the content of a film.  While the US ratings system is far from perfect, some information is better than none.
  1a.  If I'm picking a movie for movie night with my friends, the more info the better to pick one that we might all enjoy.
  1b.  I have a lot of blind buys, so I may not know the film ahead of time.  Again, more info = better.

2.  Let's say we have a film that's rated R for Strong Language and Graphic Bloody Violence.  It gets released on DVD in an Unrated cut.  The strong language and graphic bloody violence will still be present. 

3.  DVD Profiler considers NR to be the lowest rating, not the highest.  While people may personally consider Unrated higher than R, the software does not consider it thus.  Therefore, if I want to sort films by rating (as in content) I will get them more correctly sorted by entering the rating.

4.  Also, we were previously told to enter the highest rating when more than one version is present.
  4a.  ANY rating is higher than NO rating.
  4b.  As I said above, the software considers NR the LOWEST rating.

5.  While I don't use Parental Controls (don't have kids), if I did I would want them to actually work properly.  Entering that Unrated Cut of an R film as NR would place that film in the incorrect group for the parental controls.  That puts something like the unrated cut of American Psycho in the same group as Barbie as Rapunzel or Top Hat.

Now, having the option of Unrated for these cuts would seem to solve all of these points, and satisfy the majority of those who do not want to enter the rating for the Unrated version.  So I would support that option.

Quoting Danae Cassandra:

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Now, having the option of Unrated for these cuts would seem to solve all of these points, and satisfy the majority of those who do not want to enter the rating for the Unrated version.  So I would support that option.

I see your point, but if Ken did add something like "Unrated" to the ratings field, then how would we define that in the rules? What's to stop someone who finds the humour in The Simpsons objectionable, for example, deciding that they should be Unrated rather than NR?

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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This is what I suggested a few pages back, and I think it is similar to what Pete suggested:

"Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover.
Exceptions: Use "Unrated" for any release that includes, or is, an unrated/not rated version of a rated film.  Use "NR" for any release without a rating."

This, of course, assumes we get an 'Unrated' rating.  If we don't, then it would be changed, to 'NR'.

I am not sure I like this.

If a film is rated "R" from the theater, dvd Profiler allows me to set that age limit
If a film is PG-13, I can Set that age limit.

If a film is UnRated, where do I set the age limit, unless I set it for every disc.

There has to be a way to establish a base age on an unrated disc, based upon it's original MPAA (or your local rating agency) that was for the original Movie. 

If the Theatrical Movie is rated "'R" then the base for an unrated disc should be "R" + 

Likewise, if a movie is rated "PG-13" at the theater, then an unrated version needs to be "PG-13"+

I do not see what information can come out of a generic "Unrated" rating.

IMHO

Charlie

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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This is what I suggested a few pages back, and I think it is similar to what Pete suggested:

"Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover.
Exceptions: Use "Unrated" for any release that includes, or is, an unrated/not rated version of a rated film.  Use "NR" for any release without a rating."

This, of course, assumes we get an 'Unrated' rating.  If we don't, then it would be changed, to 'NR'.

I would love to see this as unrated and not rated are two different things.

Quoting northbloke:

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Ok Donnie, using my X-Men example.

It's a PG-13 film (as noted on the back of the cover), however there is an option to play the film with deleted scenes added via branching. This version of the film is technically unrated, it was never submitted to the MPAA. It's not advertised as Unrated, it's not advertised as a Director's Cut. What rating would you give the profile?

Of course we only enter Unrated / Not rated, when the DVD / Blu-ray is labeled this way, we do not invent any UNrated rating.
if the disk is clearly labeled PG-13, that is what we enter.
But if the disk has a PG-13 and an Unrated version on it, we label it Unrated and forget about the PG-13 version

Donnie

Quoting DarklyNoon:

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Quoting northbloke:

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Ok Donnie, using my X-Men example.

It's a PG-13 film (as noted on the back of the cover), however there is an option to play the film with deleted scenes added via branching. This version of the film is technically unrated, it was never submitted to the MPAA. It's not advertised as Unrated, it's not advertised as a Director's Cut. What rating would you give the profile?

Of course we only enter Unrated / Not rated, when the DVD / Blu-ray is labeled this way, we do not invent any UNrated rating.
if the disk is clearly labeled PG-13, that is what we enter.
But if the disk has a PG-13 and an Unrated version on it, we label it Unrated and forget about the PG-13 version

Donnie

So for that PG-13 theatrical release, that is now unrated DVD, what is the appropriate age for that movie that I can set?

If another movie was rated "R" at the theater and is now "Unrated", what is that appropriate age level that can be set?

In the previous 2 examples, are the appropriate age the same?

An unrated film, has to have a basis in the theatrical rating.  There are not many films that take out the "R" stuff to get unrated.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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This is what I suggested a few pages back, and I think it is similar to what Pete suggested:

"Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover.
Exceptions: Use "Unrated" for any release that includes, or is, an unrated/not rated version of a rated film.  Use "NR" for any release without a rating."

This, of course, assumes we get an 'Unrated' rating.  If we don't, then it would be changed, to 'NR'.

Couldn't have said it any better!

Donnie