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@Hal - There are others who understand the function. Myself for one.  I have however given up on trying to convince others. What can I say. For now... they win. I just don't have the energy you seem to have. 

Yes, I know you understand, Rick, and so do others, but the most vocal people in these forums, clearly do not understand that putting "as credited" in both the "Common Name" field and the "Credited As" field is messing up the Actor/Crew List more every day.

They also do not seem to understand that my argument is to NOT change the Common Name field.  How that can be construed as me trying to implement Common Names before Ken has released his solution is totally beyond me.  I am clearly stating NOT to implement a Common Name standard!

However, it doesn't matter how many times I say it, certain people will continue to claim that I am trying to implement Common Names with no standard.

There is no arguing with them.  I understand you're being tired of it. Believe me, so am I.  However, I cannot sit idly by while a small vocal minority distort the truth and confuse the issues.

Quoting pplchamp:

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Unicus, I must disagree.

If anything, his first credit would be Rocky Miavia. But, alas, WWE DVD's don't have credits. So, all those The Rock credits technically do not exist.

These would fall under the 'no credits' rule.  In those DVDs he is refered to as "The Rock".  He reinforced that, as his stage name, when he began making films using that as his credit.  That is why I would use "The Rock" as the common name.

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Since hs is distancing himself from his wrestling character, I would be enclined to use Dwayne Johnson as his common name, and link everything else to that. But, that is just my opinion.

I don't think that matters...for our purposes.  He is known as "The Rock" and is credited that way in most of his films.  That, of course, is subject to change. 

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What I hope is that the program will be able to find a common name of "The Rock" if a user searches for "Dwayne Johnson". If that doesn't happen, we're in some deep stuff.

I think Ken said it would...yes, here it is in a reply to Hal.  I think this is what you mean:

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Quoting hal9g:

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It is my understanding that not only will you see the "most common occurrence" of the name in the "credited as" field of the main database, but you would also see a list of all of the names that are already linked to that "Common Name".  That will help in many cases, but for fairly new (or seldom occurring) actors, it may not provide much in the way of direction.

Ken, please correct me if I have mis-spoken.

This is correct.  As mentioned above, it also will show the films which list that credited name.

I guess I'm confused. 

If you use the on-line search to identify the Common Name, then go to Add Crew/Cast and find that name in the list (or add it if necessary) then enter the "Credited As" field, what else do you need?

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Quoting hal9g:

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I guess I'm confused. 

If you use the on-line search to identify the Common Name, then go to Add Crew/Cast and find that name in the list (or add it if necessary) then enter the "Credited As" field, what else do you need?

Do you think that EVERY user is going to do that? That's like thinking that EVERY user reaeds these forums.

Yes, kinda like you can lead a horse to water.....

I see your point!

Quoting skipnet50:

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There are other issues here you guys are overlooking, I think. When you adopt a Common Name in Movie X, it poulates throughout the database and replaces ALL of the data that has thus far been entered AS CREDITED. Now if I look at Movie Y, I can sse that a change of some sort has been made, there is no indication whether it is common name or BY and since the made was to Movie X,and I am working on Movie Y, I have no way of knowing either what the change is nor if it is even valid, as I can't access Contribution Notes to see what happened, how do I know which Movie the change was made to. BTW this is a problem that would aslo be shared by any other possible system, so this has to be fixed as wll. It is not any easy solution, gentelmen. God, don't I wish it were

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I don't believe it works that way.  According to Ken, each profile is stored in the main db as a single entity.  The cast lists are not shared.  So if I make a change to Movie X, and uploade it, it only replaces the data for Movie X.  Nothing happens to any data in any other profile.

I am judging based upon what I have seen so far in performance as it exists right now. I can't judge something I haven't seen. Data which has been completely audited RECENTLY by me suddenly has bad data in it, there are no notes to explain where the data is coming from. Paul I would appreciate if you would stop with the slander when you don't know what you are talkinhg about, obviously. This has nothing to do with what I believe to be a better plan, in point of fact in this particular area the alias plan would suffer from the same issue, which I noted had you read it.

I am hopeful about what Ken has in mind and I look forward to some real world testing. But one never knows, we thought the BY was a great plan and it took the users all of five minutes to find a hole in it.

Now, Paul, I anm not going to say what i am really thinking about your unnecessary and slanderous comments. My mother taught me better than that, but I will ask you to SHUT UP.

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Quoting goodguy:

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As far as I can see there is currently only one problem with the Common Name:

If a user changes a common name in his local database,
and if he does this via "Edit Cast Member" in DVDProfiler,
and if this common name also represents "as credited" for some movies,
then the Credited As field for these movies is *not* updated with the previously used name for this cast member.

This is *not* a problem for changes made via the NameVariants plugin, because the plugin *does* update the Credited As field.

I already tried to address this issue in the Use of Credited As thread, but apparently the discussion of typos and Lon Chaney variants was more important.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying but I don't want any 'automatic' changes to the credited as field.  Those should match the credits for that particular movie and should be verified before any change is made.