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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree that "True Story" cannot be included for most movies. But I believe Dreamer is the exception.
The onscreen title, when I saw this movie on Television, was: "Dreamer: Inspired by a True Story". Hence for this movie, it is not a statement or tagline, but an actual part of the title and should be included.
So, if it also appears in the credits, it belongs to the title. If it doesn't appear in the credits, it's a tagline. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
Chris |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Chris, "Dreamer: Inspired by a True Story" is the title of the film. It's confusing because it looks like a tagline, but it isn't. The fact that it appears in both the credit block and on screen as well as on the front cover shows that it's the proper title.
But I can see why everyone would think otherwise - when I saw the top post, my first thought was "who the hell's put a tagline in the title field?". If you didn't know the film in question, you wouldn't know any better. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | It does indeed appear that "Inspired by a True Story" is part of the title in this particular case! Further evidence of this can be found here: http://www.dreamer.dreamworks.com/At the bottom of the page on the left it says: Quote:
Dreamer: Inspired By A True Story is rated PG. Parental Guidance is suggested. Some material may not be suitable for children. Brief Mild Language. A search at www.mpaa.org gives the same result. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | OTOH, the COPYRIGHTED title is simply Dreamer.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
OTOH, the COPYRIGHTED title is simply Dreamer.
Skip Which, once again, is completely irrelevant for DVD Profiler purposes... |
| | Registered: April 4, 2007 |  Posts: 883 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
OTOH, the COPYRIGHTED title is simply Dreamer.
Skip likely because you can't copyright a line like "based on a true story" | | | | - Jan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 347 |
| | Posted: | | | | I went to the site for this movie and I must say that I am convinced by the information there that this is the name ... Dreamer: Inspired by a true story.
I will be withdrawing my contribution and call this a wrap.
Mark | | | | Antec Nine Hundred case, 4GB A-Data DDR2 800 RAM, Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz, ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP MB, XFX GeForce 8600GT XXX 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 video card, ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink, Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HDD, Zerodba 620W PSU, LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD with LightScribe SATA, Samsung CDDVDW SH-S203B SATA, Hanns-G HH281 28" monitor, Kodak ESP3250 printer, Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers, Windows 7 Professional |
| | Registered: June 8, 2007 | | Posts: 25 |
| | Posted: | | | | For your own collection you could label it to "true story's" for example
I do it for "detective" story's "world cinema" and so on...
Frank |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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OTOH, the COPYRIGHTED title is simply Dreamer.
Skip
Which, once again, is completely irrelevant for DVD Profiler purposes... LOL, hardly, Tim. but nice try. If what you postulate were entirely true then we would not have these repeated discussions of what constitutes a title...would we? The only point I am making that is that there are many possible sources which can come up with different results. Unlike some I do not make data decisions based upon what I like or don't like, nor throw up red herrings about making a mess of sorting and so on. Data is data and I judge it on that basis and that basis ONLY, what I like or dislike is irrelevant. To sit before the Computer and say I don't like that type of data is simply foolish and only leads to problems somewhere else down the road, important data will be excluded simply on the basis of like or dislike. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
To sit before the Computer and say I don't like that type of data is simply foolish and only leads to problems somewhere else down the road, important data will be excluded simply on the basis of like or dislike. Which seem's to be what YOU are doing...  It's very simple: here we have the front cover, the credits block and the actual credits all agreeing on a title. While these three are all in agreement, you apparently feel the need to refer to a third party database that claims the title is something else. I'm just pointing out that I find that really strange: in fact, I'd say that you yourself are guilty of needlessly complicating things here. Again, if the cover, the credits block and the credits all agree on what the title is, why would you want to bring in an outside source that claims otherwise? |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cvermeylen: Quote:
I agree that "True Story" cannot be included for most movies. But I believe Dreamer is the exception.
The onscreen title, when I saw this movie on Television, was: "Dreamer: Inspired by a True Story". Hence for this movie, it is not a statement or tagline, but an actual part of the title and should be included.
So, if it also appears in the credits, it belongs to the title. If it doesn't appear in the credits, it's a tagline. I see your point. On the other hand, the Rules tell us to use the Cover Title, and "Inspired by a True Story" on the front cover has a significantly smaller font size, thus it doesn't seem to belong with the Title (and not just beause it sounds as a statement). To be honest, I don't know how that Title should be contributed.  | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting cvermeylen:
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I agree that "True Story" cannot be included for most movies. But I believe Dreamer is the exception.
The onscreen title, when I saw this movie on Television, was: "Dreamer: Inspired by a True Story". Hence for this movie, it is not a statement or tagline, but an actual part of the title and should be included.
So, if it also appears in the credits, it belongs to the title. If it doesn't appear in the credits, it's a tagline.
To be honest, I don't know how that Title should be contributed. Although you have a valid point, and this is what we should normally do, there are always exceptions. I can refer to the Star Wars DVD's. On the cover, we don't have the word episode, but still it is in the title available in the database. So in the case of Dreamer, I think since the onscreen title and the cover agree, we can keep it in the database as is. I see your point. On the other hand, the Rules tell us to use the Cover Title, and "Inspired by a True Story" on the front cover has a significantly smaller font size, thus it doesn't seem to belong to the Title (and not just beause it sounds as a statement). | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
Chris | | | | Last edited: by cvermeylen |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | At least in the region 1 star wars titles I own Episode was removed shortly after the rule was changed. For no other reason then the rules called for it to be removed.  | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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To sit before the Computer and say I don't like that type of data is simply foolish and only leads to problems somewhere else down the road, important data will be excluded simply on the basis of like or dislike.
Which seem's to be what YOU are doing... It's very simple: here we have the front cover, the credits block and the actual credits all agreeing on a title. While these three are all in agreement, you apparently feel the need to refer to a third party database that claims the title is something else. I'm just pointing out that I find that really strange: in fact, I'd say that you yourself are guilty of needlessly complicating things here. Again, if the cover, the credits block and the credits all agree on what the title is, why would you want to bring in an outside source that claims otherwise? Tim: You are using a knee-jerk reaction to simply disagree and try to discredit. I took NO POSIOTION and have no position. I simply made a statement of Fact. I would suggest that in the future you think long and hard before trying to answer me, because you are barking up the wrong tree, sir ou know and understand far less than you think you do. I find you attitude to be insulting and offensive. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I find you attitude to be insulting and offensive. Likewise! Once again: you're the one dragging an third party source into this discussion, while cover, credits block and film credits all agree on what the title in this particular case is. I merely expressed my confusion as to why you would do so, and if that's enough for you to start insulting me - I consider "you know and understand far less than you think you do" an insult - so be it... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have seen some of the 'vote comments' on the most recent submission of this title. I looked, but I couldn't find the rule people are using to vote no. Could somebody please show me where it says, in the rules, that we are supposed to capitalize certain words in the title? I can find the spot where it says not to capitalize joining words, but nothing else. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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