I know of very few instances where credit lists are different from one country to another, some but they are rare. So let's say you have just audited and found comma Jr. and you look and see the same title listed with comma-less Jr., there is about a 99% likelihood that those are iincorrect. On tiop of that we also know that the use of comma-less Jr. is, I won't call it rare, but it is unusual, most times they use the comma Jr. listing in Credits. Beyond that I say nothing. 

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Quoting Darknite:

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So for now do we go by the CLT, or by what people believe is right

You go by the CLT, but you check under both name variants to see whether certain titles are listed under both. And if that is indeed the case, you should take that into consideration when deciding what the ACTUAL "common name" is. That'll save us all a lot of pointless updates.

As for the contribution this is about - and which I have indeed voted against - the CLT results are evenly split 68 vs. 68 entries: you're just using a slight advantage in number of titles (mostly caused by translated titles in various R2-localities) to back up your claim that the comma-less name variant is really the most "common". And there really are quite a few titles listed under both name variants: you really don't need more than a quick glance to see that this actor is really mostly credited with a comma.

Well dark, you can add the following coma-less Jr. listings as errors

Airport 1975
Hot Shots
Remington Steele.

They are all credited as comma Jr., and i suspect all of the coma-less Jr. or nearly all of them are wrong as well.

Skip

I can verify that all three are comma Jrs. I have personally audited them.

I see two Hot Shots listed as comma-less
8 Airport 195
5 Remington Steele

Skip

It seems like All of his Animated work is without Comma and his feature work is with. I guess there should be a rule about this to also Help with the CLT get Fixed

Quoting Giga Wizard:

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the only way to fix the CLT as i see it:
go by the movie credits on dvd
verify by the CLT the incorrect dvd's
download all those profiles
correct al the cast and crew use the 'DVDProfiler Cast & Crew Editor' tool by Tom Gaines to correct al those profiles
be carefull only to edit the same profiles of that movie (same cut, same edition, ...)
It will take some time but possibly you get there in the end. Form a group and make a project out of it.

Hooray, once again the same discussion!
Skip, would you please offer to do as Giga requested, then we could crosslink to another notorious thread.   

Not that I don't like the idea, but if I recall the discussion correctly there were some severe arguments against it.
Or in other words: if you want to do so, then do it, but don't make it public because there some people out there who would burn you for the attempt.

Quoting goblinsdoitall:

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Quoting Giga Wizard:

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the only way to fix the CLT as i see it:
go by the movie credits on dvd
verify by the CLT the incorrect dvd's
download all those profiles
correct al the cast and crew use the 'DVDProfiler Cast & Crew Editor' tool by Tom Gaines to correct al those profiles
be carefull only to edit the same profiles of that movie (same cut, same edition, ...)
It will take some time but possibly you get there in the end. Form a group and make a project out of it.

Hooray, once again the same discussion!
Skip, would you please offer to do as Giga requested, then we could crosslink to another notorious thread.   

Not that I don't like the idea, but if I recall the discussion correctly there were some severe arguments against it.
Or in other words: if you want to do so, then do it, but don't make it public because there some people out there who would burn you for the attempt.

I, for one, was in favor of what Skip intended to do. I know there are concerns and warnings, but I think we should choose the lesser evil.  Especially when the source is an accurate transcription work from the film's credits, like I think of Skip's. Yes, I know there are a few instances where the credits are somewhat different in R1 and R2 releases, but those few differences can be corrected afterwards, and in most cases that kind of contribution would be better than an empty profile or than an inaccurate "IMDb" profile, anyway.

I am willing to reconsider tackling this. Help would on it would be a good thing, it's a wreck.

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