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How do big name movies sneak into DVDP with such meager info?
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There is no requirement under the Rules to do this!


Exact. Rules are yet very complicated (for english speaking people, and I don't tell about people who do not speak english), but there are some users that want even more, just to be sure more users will stop contributing (as they did themselves...)


Stop your negative attitude
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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We can only add data as it becomes available. You can't add Cast and crew data without the disc in your hand, unless it is re-release but then you must be careful to remove (uncredited) data from a previous profile, they have to be documented. Without the film in your hand where would you get Cast and crew data, don't even think about suggesting IMDb or some other third party source, did you sit in the dark theatre with a notebook in hand.

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There is no requirement under the Rules to do this!


No, not in the rules, but when you contribute this is the requirement:
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For changes to existing profiles, enter a brief description of the changes you've made.

For all contributions, indicate the source of the data, especially cast and crew additions.

Invelos reviewers and fellow users will use this information to help them decide whether to accept the changes, so be sure to provide explanations where needed.


Uncredited cast is not accepted on contribution, unless above requirement is fullfilled.


First of all, I'm not taking about editing an existing profile, I'm talking about Pre-Releases

For an existing profile, you must use the DVD only for cast and crew unless you document any 'uncredited' that you wish to add.

For Pre-Releases of films that are already in the DVDP database, by stating that the source of your cast and crew is another ACCEPTED profile within DVDP, you are stating your source and Ken has already stated that copying cast and crew from other profiles is acceptable.

For Pre-releases of brand new movies, in other words no version of the movie exists in DVDP, then no cast and crew can be added to the Pre-Release profile because there is no acceptable source; either the DVD itself or an existing approved profile within DVDP.  Cast and crew for these prfiles can only be added after release and must come from the actual film credits (unless you document any 'uncredited cast' that you wish to add).
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Quoting hal9g:
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There is no requirement under the Rules to do this!


Exact. Rules are yet very complicated (for english speaking people, and I don't tell about people who do not speak english), but there are some users that want even more, just to be sure more users will stop contributing (as they did themselves...)


Stop your negative attitude


I second, third, fourth and fifth that!   
Berak

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In the past, new contribution were not submitted to rules as strict as now, and the vote system for modifications didn't exist. Now, ex-contributors who disagree with some of the rules (the obligation to recopy typos in overviews for example), have stopped contributing. As for actors, some people do not want the order of appearance, which sometimes put the main figures far in the list. But rules oblige to list them exactly as in end credit. Users who disagree with that do not contribute actors...


None of those issues should prevent someone from contributing.  I prefer the main actors to be listed at the top of the profile as well.  What do I do?  I enter them 'as credited', upload the profile, then change my local version.  It really isn't that hard to do and doesn't take much time either.

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Another problem is the obligation to explain contribution notes in english, even for new contributions. I know two people who wanted to contribute, but they do not speak english. As they didn't understand why their contributions were rejected, they stopped contributing.


Then why did they buy a program that is english based?  I am not trying to be an ass here, but Gerri...who handles most of the contributions...is American and only speaks english.  She has to know what is in the profile that is being added to her...and Ken's...database.

I am sorry, but this isn't a problem that Invelos created. 
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In the past, new contribution were not submitted to rules as strict as now, and the vote system for modifications didn't exist. Now, ex-contributors who disagree with some of the rules (the obligation to recopy typos in overviews for example), have stopped contributing. As for actors, some people do not want the order of appearance, which sometimes put the main figures far in the list. But rules oblige to list them exactly as in end credit. Users who disagree with that do not contribute actors...


None of those issues should prevent someone from contributing.  I prefer the main actors to be listed at the top of the profile as well.  What do I do?  I enter them 'as credited', upload the profile, then change my local version.  It really isn't that hard to do and doesn't take much time either.

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Another problem is the obligation to explain contribution notes in english, even for new contributions. I know two people who wanted to contribute, but they do not speak english. As they didn't understand why their contributions were rejected, they stopped contributing.


Then why did they buy a program that is english based?  I am not trying to be an ass here, but Gerri...who handles most of the contributions...is American and only speaks english.  She has to know what is in the profile that is being added to her...and Ken's...database.

I am sorry, but this isn't a problem that Invelos created. 


Well put Unicus! I agree 100% 
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Then why did they buy a program that is english based? 


They bought this program because they saw it, in french, on my computer and found it marvellous. I installed their version, with my own translation file. So, for them, they can use it without speaking english.
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Then why did they buy a program that is english based? 

They bought this program because they saw it, in french, on my computer and found it marvellous. I installed their version, with my own translation file. So, for them, they can use it without speaking english.

Exactly. You don't have to speak English to use the program but you're required to do so if you want to make acceptable contributions.
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Then why did they buy a program that is english based? 


They bought this program because they saw it, in french, on my computer and found it marvellous. I installed their version, with my own translation file. So, for them, they can use it without speaking english.

And all you do is whine, because Profiler has a way to do things and Profiler's way isn't YOUR way. It's not enough for you to simply not contribute, which you know i support. I agree with what has been said already. Stop with negative attitude. If you don't like profiler go find something else...PLEASE.

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which UPC does your V for vendetta dvd have? I noticed you said an overview in french as if it was a bad thing. If french is not the language on your box, you might have added the DVD with a wrong locality. A french overview indicates Canada (Quebec) or France profiles, and especially the later locality's database secton isn't in the best shape. If the profile really is THAT empty, you might consider downloading the same movie from another locality (US, UK or Germany) and just change the locality and upc to yours afterwards, then do a refresh of the covers to get the right ones.
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It is also possible that someone has stumbled on a Profile that managed to get past the screeners, with an incorrect UPC of some form, sometimes made up, and sometimes for some reason the UPC changes between pre-release and actual release. (not often but it does happen)

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Then why did they buy a program that is english based? 


They bought this program because they saw it, in french, on my computer and found it marvellous. I installed their version, with my own translation file. So, for them, they can use it without speaking english.


Maybe you should have told them, then, that the program requires at least some English language knowledge to operate properly?      Man - you really know how to put a negative spin on every subject you come across...   
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Then why did they buy a program that is english based? 


They bought this program because they saw it, in french, on my computer and found it marvellous. I installed their version, with my own translation file. So, for them, they can use it without speaking english.


Maybe you should have told them, then, that the program requires at least some English language knowledge to operate properly?      Man - you really know how to put a negative spin on every subject you come across...   

Give it a rest! surfeur51 has put money in Ken's hands! The program works in many languages other than English. If Ken did not want non-English speaking people to use it, why did he add translations to other languages?

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We can only add data as it becomes available. You can't add Cast and crew data without the disc in your hand, unless it is re-release but then you must be careful to remove (uncredited) data from a previous profile, they have to be documented. Without the film in your hand where would you get Cast and crew data, don't even think about suggesting IMDb or some other third party source, did you sit in the dark theatre with a notebook in hand.

Skip


Skip,

I was unaware anyone would enter data without the DVD in their hand.  Isn't this db used to track your own personal collections?  Why would you enter in a UPC if you didn't actually own the DVD?

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You can add items that you've ordered as well so pre-ordered, pre-release titles often get a basic profile added & then given full details once released.
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which UPC does your V for vendetta dvd have? I noticed you said an overview in french as if it was a bad thing. If french is not the language on your box, you might have added the DVD with a wrong locality. A french overview indicates Canada (Quebec) or France profiles, and especially the later locality's database secton isn't in the best shape. If the profile really is THAT empty, you might consider downloading the same movie from another locality (US, UK or Germany) and just change the locality and upc to yours afterwards, then do a refresh of the covers to get the right ones.


Hi, UPC for my dvd is 012569-832336.  It is what was found when I ran BulkEdit to import my DVDSpot CSV file.  And no, I don't think an overview in french is a bad thing, however I did find it odd that my English-language DVD for an English-language film had an overview from DVDP which was in French.  If the film was "Tontons Flingeurs", I wouldn't have batted an eye.  This particular Locality comes up as Canada, meaning the overview should be in English and French.  And yes, I will definitely fill in the rest of the details, as a confirmed completist, it will bug me every time I scan through my DVDP collection.

Thanks,
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You can add items that you've ordered as well so pre-ordered, pre-release titles often get a basic profile added & then given full details once released.


Ah, very good.  Thanks for the explanation, I wasn't aware of that.  (Have had this program exactly 5 days).  Now, in all fairness, let's not forget my example is a movie released in 2006 but hey, now that I understand how it could happen, no worries.  As I said, over 95% of my downloaded profiles appear to be complete and accurate.  I can fix the rest.

DD.
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