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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | And the problem with only listing unrated if it said so is there are plenty of movies liek Dark City and Almost Famous that have an alternate version which doesn't have more extreme content, but it's effectively R, just like the rated version. Do you really want these having the same rating as Dora the Explorer? I voted for the other option, but think it needs work to clarify when we use it. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
No it's a solution. I daresay it is. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rule will be stated that the highest rating wins. Therefore, assuming option 1 is the direction we go, let's take the Dark City example along with a couple more:
"Dark City" has an 'R' rated version and an 'NR' version. R > NR, therefore, the rating is 'R'.
"The Hangover: Unrated" has an 'R' rated version and an 'Unrated' version. Unrated > R, therefore the rating is 'Unrated'
"Dora the Explorer" has only an 'NR' version. Therefore the rating is 'NR'.
Bottom line is simple, the highest rating wins. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken, would that also apply in situations where the release has been clearly been marketed with the Not Rated version as the main feature and the rated version basically included as a bonus? |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Ken, would that also apply in situations where the release has been clearly been marketed with the Not Rated version as the main feature and the rated version basically included as a bonus? Does it say something like "Unrated edition" on the cover? If so, it's Unrated. Let's talk specific examples if possible. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That works. Highest rating wins and you have now defined a way to determine the highest rating. I don't see this causing a problem in the short run. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The rule will be stated that the highest rating wins. Therefore, assuming option 1 is the direction we go, let's take the Dark City example along with a couple more:
"Dark City" has an 'R' rated version and an 'NR' version. R > NR, therefore, the rating is 'R'.
"The Hangover: Unrated" has an 'R' rated version and an 'Unrated' version. Unrated > R, therefore the rating is 'Unrated'
"Dora the Explorer" has only an 'NR' version. Therefore the rating is 'NR'.
Bottom line is simple, the highest rating wins. Personally, it's going to cause even more confusion. You've got some Director's Cuts (which Dark City states it is on the front) that say Not Rated on the back and others that say Unrated. What's the difference? Edit: BTW, I'm talking about the Blu-ray which has both versions. | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's this one, from the other thread -   |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The rule will be stated that the highest rating wins. Therefore, assuming option 1 is the direction we go, let's take the Dark City example along with a couple more:
"Dark City" has an 'R' rated version and an 'NR' version. R > NR, therefore, the rating is 'R'.
Bottom line is simple, the highest rating wins. The DVD release of Dark City only has the director's cut, though. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | LOL, Ace, you must be more specific, amigo. The Original release of Dark City to DVD was R Theatrical, the 2nd release to DVD is only the Director's Cut. However the one and only Blu release has BOTH the theatrical AND the Director's Cut.
THe Title is Dark City: Edition: Director's Cut
Theatrical is Rated R, of course and the DC is NOT RATED (NR) | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Forget, that example will be 'R' since it is both 'R' and 'NR'. Highest rating wins.
What we should all consider is that no simple rule will cover every example to everyone's satisfaction. The key is to cover the 80% well and in a way that's simple to apply. Will it result in some titles still being NR where they would more likely fit in Unrated? Absolutely. However, the lion's share will be segregated into an age appropriate area.
We also definitively answer the question of when to use the regular rating if a rated and alternate version are present, which is the original task. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Forget, that example will be 'R' since it is both 'R' and 'NR'. Thank you, I'll start locking everything down. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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Forget, that example will be 'R' since it is both 'R' and 'NR'.
Thank you, I'll start locking everything down. Ah, I see. So locking down the profiles it is.  | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The rule will be stated that the highest rating wins. Therefore, assuming option 1 is the direction we go, let's take the Dark City example along with a couple more:
"Dark City" has an 'R' rated version and an 'NR' version. R > NR, therefore, the rating is 'R'.
"The Hangover: Unrated" has an 'R' rated version and an 'Unrated' version. Unrated > R, therefore the rating is 'Unrated'
"Dora the Explorer" has only an 'NR' version. Therefore the rating is 'NR'.
Bottom line is simple, the highest rating wins. Are you serious about Dark City ? Can't believe this. So the Blu-Ray which is called Dark City: Director's Cut will receive the R-Rating of the Theatrical Cut. This is beyond logic, sorry. NR is the same as Unrated, both refer to movies that the MPAA has not rated. Hence my example again Death Race 2 and Doomsday. @Forget: will also be locking everything down now, this must be the most illogical program change I ever saw. In am still puzzled who initially came up with the suggestion of such a change.... Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | We previously discussed taking the top billed rating. This idea was universally panned. The alternate simple way to do it is to have the highest rating win.
The number of titles which have a rated version and an unrated version is already quite small. Of these, the number which do not say "Unrated" somewhere on the cover is even smaller. I'm not against including these in "Unrated" if we can provide a simple straightforward method to identify them.
In fact I provided another simple version of the rule as option #2 above. Any alternate "NR" version of a film which had received a theatrical rating would also be marked as "Unrated". If that's the option you're after, vote for option #2. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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