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Aned kathy I don'tknow who in hades you think you are anymore, you are behaving llike some sort of forum traffic cop and i have not seen such bestowed upon you by Ken,nor should he, you have fairly obviously developed a personal agenda.

You would think that after multiple 30 day bans this guy would start to get the message. It just goes to show how utterly impossible it is for some people to change.

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Aned kathy I don'tknow who in hades you think you are anymore, you are behaving llike some sort of forum traffic cop and i have not seen such bestowed upon you by Ken,nor should he, you have fairly obviously developed a personal agenda.

You would think that after multiple 30 day bans this guy would start to get the message. It just goes to show how utterly impossible it is for some people to change.

What makes you believe that. Grendell. I have news for you,you are dead WRONG.  But then I am not surprised at all.

Thank you to those who have provided supportive comments.

When I read the OP, I was drawn to the part I have bolded:

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I think I know the answer to this, but I wanted to be sure: does the "Developed for Television by" credit fall under anything for writing? I'm working on Smallville and was just wondering. I believe the answer would be no, but just in case I missed a discussion or something along these lines.

As The Martian pointed out, I too believe that knowledge is never a bad thing. Since the Writers Guild is the entity which determines writing credits for US films, to understand their guidelines is to understand their credits. Their guidelines detail that "Developed by" is not the equivalent of "Created by" and I felt no need to say that's what the guidelines say. Everyone has the ability to read that for themselves.

I hope that those of you, The Martian, Kathy, Grendell, No Name Needed are proud of your absolutely outrageous and insulting intrusion into this thread. You managed to turn a quiet little thread  and in which i directed a question at James, NOT any of you, intoyet another thread of controversy, attackand insult. You caused the problem, not I, congratulations on your gross behavior yet again, as you have done oh so many time before.Ken I really hope for a change you take a lok at the behavior of someof these that you like up as an example before others, when they will take any opportunity that they can CREATE to attack, harass and insult another user that they can play at being thought and speech police.

I thank James for his civil responses but not the others.

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Here's what the Writers Guild has to say about this credit:
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For me it still looks as a credit not matching to one of the accepted. (Thanks for the provided information)

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Kathy I have one thing for you based upon your attitude...MYOB. And i'll thank you for it.

After a month of civil discourse, due almost exclusively to your lack of of participation, I'll thank you to change your attitude. I am going to, once again, illustrate to you why I will not be bullied by you or ignore the things you say that hurt this community.

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You managed to turn a quiet little thread  and in which i directed a question at James, NOT any of you, intoyet another thread of controversy, attackand insult.

Your first post in this thread was fine. But, the thread was only quiet until you perceived TheMadMartin attacking you.

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Your comments are inflammatory, argumentative and completely unnecessary. I am thrilled that you find James' side postings so informative. I did not address YOU.

Sorry Skip but they are not. They were a polite response on a pubic forum. If you only wish to talk to James - you might be better off sending a pm.

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Dop I consider, gaffers to be a valuable addition to profiler...no,I don't,  and no amount of infomation provided from whatever source is likely to persuade me to the contrary.

No on is trying to persuade you of anything. James' comments were informative, interesting and relative to the topic at hand.

You comments throughout the rest of the thread are not.

My comments, are also not related to the initial topic, but are in direct response to your words. I will not be silent and let you fill this forum with unanswered insults and rude comments.

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Get off your high horse and drop the , oh he dared to say something about something to somebody i ahve to get him, i have to shut him up attitude.

It is obvious after 19,630 postings that no one is capable of that. The only thing anyone wishes, in my opinion, is that you change your attitude and they way you come across. Many of us have tried for years to get you to look at yourself.

Your words are mean and hurtful and I wish you could see that and make a sincere and concerted effort to change. 

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In which case I am trying to figure out james' motive for bringing WG to the table.

Motives? Why can't you just accept what he told you? Here lies part of what I see to be the problem.

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I did not post here to create an argument though kathy and others clearly have.

No Skip you are wrong. I quoted you

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Your comments are inflammatory, argumentative and completely unnecessary.

I then said that your words were the same to illustrate a point. If saying "Your comments are inflammatory, argumentative and completely unnecessary" and are used to create an argument, then why did you use them?

I then politely asked you to please refrain from using this type of rhetoric. Why? Because, in my opinion, they were used to create an argument.

I'm sorry Skip but you can not have it both ways. To accuse others of behavior when it is you that used that exact same behavior, but did so first, is hypocritical.

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Color me confused, but the negativity and nastiness generally displayed by someusers and the thought police attitudes of some is frankly pretty disgusting. I was hoping to see some changes , but i haven't and i fear that i won't and ken will continue to allow these disgusting anti-social control freaks to run the forums,well this why i don't contribute more and that is sad.

The negativity and nastiness was substantially less the thirty days you were gone. Now that you have returned I see a dramatic increase in the lack of civility and respect for others in this post alone. There is a cause and effect that is directly because of you Skip.

I too hoped to see some changes on your return, But, as you demonstrated after your other "leaves of absences", you can not or will not treat others kindly and with respect.

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...in which i attacked not a single solitary person.

You have got to be kidding me. Go back over this thread. Read it carefully. You have attacked almost everyone. You have done this for years and have driven away countless members of the community. 

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Why do I waste my time? It's hard when you have invested 10 years in something.

Every member of this community is as valuable as another irregardless of the amount of time they have been here.

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I hope that those of you, The Martian, Kathy, Grendell, No Name Needed are proud of your absolutely outrageous and insulting intrusion into this thread.

Please show me exactly where I have been outrageous and insulting. Please use quotes so that I know exactly what I said that is deserving of your responses to me.

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You caused the problem, not I, congratulations on your gross behavior yet again, as you have done oh so many time before.

Once again please show exactly this "gross behavior" is. Even after reading it several times, the only behavior I have found unacceptable on this thread is yours.

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Ken I really hope for a change you take a lok at the behavior of someof these that you like up as an example before others, when they will take any opportunity that they can CREATE to attack, harass and insult another user that they can play at being thought and speech police.

Ken, I too fervently hope that you will take a good hard look at the behavior of all of those that post. These forums are a direct reflection on you and your product. People that take any opportunity to attack, harass and insult others should be dealt with quickly and severely.

Big green arrow for you Kathy.

I've made a concerted effort for more than a couple of months now to refrain from commenting on this never ending cycle of unprovoked, negative comments made by you Skip, towards people just trying to be helpful, followed by a mostly united front of users coming to that persons defense, soon followed by you losing your temper to the point where you make truly offensive remarks that then lead to a ban for you, followed by a month (or more) of serenity in a friendly forum. Then you return where it appears that for at least a few days to a week, that you might have changed and then the whole ugly process repeats itself.

I am completely astonished at your continued, incredulous, elitist attitude. Even more astounding is your obvious inability to learn from your repeated punishments or bans. I mean really, how is your iron clad refusal to change and lighten up working out for you?!

As for the current situation here... this is how I see it. The question was raised as to the relative merits of including the Developed By credit or if it was possibly already covered by a similar entry. It was quickly established by a small consensus that 'Developed By' is not currently an accepted category and would require a rule change in the future to be included.

James kindly provided some information from the Writers Guild which I believe is an accredited and more than acceptable source of information on the credit in question, to provide a definition about the credit... provide some clarity. At no point did he say it should or shouldn't be included, he merely gave us some information as food for thought. You see what generally happens before a rule is changed or a new one is implemented is information is gathered from a variety or sources, then compiled and discussed. Once a consensus is reached then the rule change will go forth. Now while no one is suggesting that anybody other than Ken has final say on a rule change, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why people cannot discuss the topic, perhaps come to some sort of agreement on their own as to what they would like to see happen and then present their findings to Ken for his review. After all, most good software developers stay in business by listening to their subscriber base and giving them the features they want.

But then there you come swooping in to denounce James post as being irrelevant, unnecessary and pointless. Just who do you think you are Skip? Everyone is entitled to an opinion and should be able to make suggestions and/or recommendations without fear of being attacked. No one persons opinions are more important or valid than than the next person... not even yours Skip. You don't have to agree or even like that opinion Skip but you should at least respect it... and that's where you fail. Your reflex action every time a post does not jive with your own way of thinking is to label it as meaningless and to chastise the author. You do it every single time and it accomplishes nothing except to incite the users whom you may have noticed are relatively protective of one another, and to get yourself into trouble. Debating a topic is natural and often necessary to reach a satisfying end result but if you can't do it without disparaging the person you are debating with then you should quietly withdraw.

Personally, if I were Ken, I would have refunded you your subscription fee to you long ago and completely abolished you from these boards. No amount of money, let alone the pittance of one subscription fee, is worth the amount of consternation and internal strife that you cause on a near daily basis in these forums which are largely the face of the product to incoming new users. I'm not Ken however, and he is apparently taking a different, more drawn out approach to dealing with you. Everyone has a limit though... and if you continue with your indifference towards the feelings of other users on these forums and towards your own continued presence here then I believe you will inevitably find out what Ken's limit is.

KC

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Your comments are inflammatory, argumentative and completely unnecessary.

Actually, it was your two posts that were inflammatory, argumentative and completely unnecessary.  My comment was a simple request...I did say 'please'...that you stop jumping on James for his informative posts.

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Get off your high horse and drop the , oh he dared to say something about something to somebody i ahve to get him, i have to shut him up attitude. 

Maybe you should follow your own advice because this is exactly what you did to James.