The majority of the voters 34 agree that these extras are Cast. There are 7 who disagree.

I'm afraid that any further discussion will result in the typical disagreements that resolve nothing.

I would suggest that you decide for yourself using your understanding of the rules and taking into consideration the poll results.

If you decide to submit these people as Cast, I would refer the screeners to this thread in your documentation.

So...where does it end. It's not a pointless debate at ll, are we free to manipulate both the meaning and spirit of the Rules at will. Like I said, virtually any movie can be said to have a non-standard cast list, which opens the door to any and everything. Now while I appreciate the words of the panda, I daresay that in this area she has  no background in the Rules. she was not a participant at any level. What I see, poll be damned, is simply an attempt to manipulate the Rule and it's meaning to allow for Ouija board data and that, my friend is a dangerous road indeed. At what point do you say stop, that is a very legitimate question which you failed to answer. It's a non-standard cast list and my Ouija Board says that George Smith-Lighting Director is a Cast member, you have set a precedent to which you cannot rightly say no, because the Rule has been manipulated, it then becomes a case of Ouija Board versus mine. That road leads to chaos. Don't you think that we have enough chaos already. I provided specific points and questions which you ignored, which only serves to reinforce what i have said, no discussion is pointless regardless of what the Panda thinks or doesn't. When you dec;are a discussion pointless while ignoring points that have been made, you only serve to prove that you hhave no argument in fact are simply attempting to manipulate both the meaning and the spirit of the Rule...I actually thank you for that, but I expected better

Now I hope you will pardon me, Panda, But enough already. You are not in control of these boards and your continued attempts to quash discussions are not appreciated at all. Debates are ALWAYS valid, even if they become contentious and it is not your job to try a quash them. I said I could not resist after a self-imposed hiatus and after 2 posts you already , once more, trying to control what I say. I intend to stay out of most discussions as I have because they are simply put a waste of time, sound and fury of no significance, as users try to create problems where no problem exists Stop itrying to control speech, this is not the USSR.

These are in the end credits. Extras are a form of cast. This is no different than what you sometimes see where the leads are credited at the beginning of the credits and the rest of the roles halfway through. I'm not sure what Winston is trying to make about standard credits, because the people in question are listed in the standard credits.

Should we also credit anyone whose image might appear on a poster or billboard in the background as "cast?"

Extras are like potted plants.  They're background decoration, and don't add value to the story itself.  In that sense, they're closer to "crew" than "cast."

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Should we also credit anyone whose image might appear on a poster or billboard in the background as "cast?"

Extras are like potted plants.  They're background decoration, and don't add value to the story itself.  In that sense, they're closer to "crew" than "cast."

Oooo goody, let's credit the nursery that supplied the "plants".   I like it.

As i said, Kathy, points have been made and questions have been asked that have not been answered. I have now made what half a dozen posts, and all you wish to pretend is that it is 1984 and you are the thought police. I ask again very respectfiully, stop it, that is not you function. Nor is  it your job to pronounce judgement on any user or his opinions. Unanswered questions and points only destroy what you say, if you can answer the  questions and points, please attempt to do so, without your inflammatory rhetoric. I welcome the discussion, nor will I attempt to get you to shut up. I promise

Quoting Leiterfluid:

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Should we also credit anyone whose image might appear on a poster or billboard in the background as "cast?"

Extras are like potted plants.  They're background decoration, and don't add value to the story itself.  In that sense, they're closer to "crew" than "cast."

Not really. If that were the case, they wouldn't get paid. I have quite a few friends who have been paid for being extras (the ones that have union cards).

By your definition, we should stop crediting "man on street" or "boy in class" because, in essence, they are glorified extras with titles.

I don't see the big deal about crediting them since they are actually in the film. Especially since they are specifically mentioned in the credits.

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Our only method for crediting them is as cast, and we don't make judgements as to how much value they add to the story. We can certainly list them if they're credited (as they are in this case) and we can still add them if they aren't credited. The argument to exclude them has no merit, IMO, since we can always credit even the uncredited cast.

That's actually a good point. If they weren't credited, but someone recognized them, then we could list them as uncredited. Why should we take aware their credit in the program if they gain one in the movie?