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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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I didn't say that, I just don't see it as a desperate situation, but it's possible that having access to a scanner may give me a skewed perspective.


No it's a flaw we've arguably been living with for too long, Terminator 2 anyone?
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I fully support Pete's and DJ Doena's ideas on this issue.

The situation as is, where a particular disc can be part of countless box sets, is also confusing the hell out of less experienced users/contributors. Let's think of them too for a change. 
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I see no reason to create even more duplicates of mostly the same data.


Why shouldn't people be able to capture all of the details relevant to the release they own? The argument about film vs DVD profiler pops into my head, if it were styles as the former I'd agree as it's styled as the latter it should really do what it says and capture all relevant info.


AFAIK that has always been possible. Personally I don't have the obsession that the online must match my local 100%. The reason it's a bad idea to create more redundant profiles is that our system is poorly designed to handle multiple releases of the same film or disc. There is no connection between them that allows us to update the information except profile by profile, and history has more than showed us that is never going to happen for all profiles and localities. So we would be stuck with even more bad and obsolete data that affects even the profiles with good data.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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What your ignoring is that this is a database that serves a wide community and is marketed as such, it's not ideal or best practice that multiple people have to alter a profile locally to match what they own.

In some (thankfully rare cases) UPCs are re-used for different films, which can mean having to enter all data, not just alter small amounts.

As for your issue about updating multiple profiles presumably we're talking about cast and crew, cloned profiles wouldn't make this significantly worse. It could instead be a step to reducing the issue, where we have a known link there would be no rationale for not allowing cast and crew updates to be applied to all cloned profiles.
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I do not see any need for a program change.
Locally, we can do what we want, so there is no real problem.
For the online, the choice of original  edition is not, from my point of view, the best choice, and should be changed to the latest edition, but this is just a rule problem, and not a very important one.
If Ken wants to improve the program, linking of cast/crew seems to me much more useful.
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I think there are some  things that would help out alot.

1)  ability for the online to maintain multiple coverart for a given profile.

2) create links within a child profile to take information from the parent.
    For most of my boxsets, the child does not have coverart itself and uses the parent.  If there was a checkbox to link the coverart and casetype to the parent, we would not have to worry about coverart of the child.

3) option within system config to 0 out price for child profiles

4) Ability to link a single diskID to more than 1 parent in the local DB.

I know this will not change the "rerelease on same upc/ean issue" but would eliminate a number of visual problems that we have now.
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If you want a complete program change, I think all profiles should be profiled based upon disc ID.  Then link the ID to the parent UPC/EAN.

If written correctly, the parent then can pull the appropriate info from the child.  Add the coverart, srp price paid, and a couple of other "Set oriented" fields and there you have it.

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If you want a complete program change, I think all profiles should be profiled based upon disc ID.  Then link the ID to the parent UPC/EAN.

If written correctly, the parent then can pull the appropriate info from the child.  Add the coverart, srp price paid, and a couple of other "Set oriented" fields and there you have it.

Charlie


Not sure how you see this working? Only on the basis the disc id isn't unique enough on it's own as publishers sometimes use the same disc in different box sets.
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Not sure how you see this working? Only on the basis the disc id isn't unique enough on it's own as publishers sometimes use the same disc in different box sets.

Maybe, a MD5 hash number could help solve that problem, e.g. [DVDP Disc Id].[MD5 hash].
The source for the generated md5 hash number could for instance be; id, label, size of content (if possible) and other attributes taken off the disc programmatically, that could help producing a uniq identifier.
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Maybe, a MD5 hash number could help solve that problem, e.g. [DVDP Disc Id].[MD5 hash].
The source for the generated md5 hash number could for instance be; id, label, size of content (if possible) and other attributes taken off the disc programmatically, that could help producing a uniq identifier.


Forgive my ignorance, I only use computers, don't program anything for them, but wouldn't the MD5 hash be the same if the disc was the same?

For example if a film is packaged in two different box sets with exactly the same content on the disc wouldn't the hash figure it creates, by pulling info from the disc, be the same?

As an example the copy of the Omen I own is part of a Blair Witch/The Entity and The Omen boxset (5039036018012) as well as the Omen Trilogy set.
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All I know is that this had better be made simple and easy to use - I have no idea what anyone is talking about in most of this thread! 
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If you want a complete program change, I think all profiles should be profiled based upon disc ID

I wouldn't recommend that. It could mean that the numbers of Bluray-submission might go down significantly because not everyone has a BD-ROM.
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Very true... I personally would hate to loose the ability to contribute by UPC.
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Maybe, a MD5 hash number could help solve that problem, e.g. [DVDP Disc Id].[MD5 hash].
The source for the generated md5 hash number could for instance be; id, label, size of content (if possible) and other attributes taken off the disc programmatically, that could help producing a uniq identifier.


Forgive my ignorance, I only use computers, don't program anything for them, but wouldn't the MD5 hash be the same if the disc was the same?

For example if a film is packaged in two different box sets with exactly the same content on the disc wouldn't the hash figure it creates, by pulling info from the disc, be the same?

As an example the copy of the Omen I own is part of a Blair Witch/The Entity and The Omen boxset (5039036018012) as well as the Omen Trilogy set.

Yes to all.
If a publisher use the same disc id but say, added extra content to one of them, then WE would have a uniq number for both.
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Am I wrong... I always thought if they change anything on the actual disc that it wouldn't be the same disc ID. I know we had that problem with the old shorter disc IDs... but not since Ken changed to the extended longer disc IDs.

And what about when they use the same exact disc in more then one set... where everything on the disc (including disc ID of course) itself...  but it could have a different cover art, release date, Overview, case type... etc.
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If a publisher use the same disc id but say, added extra content to one of them, then WE would have a uniq number for both.

Unfortunately I'm unable to find the technical specs of Disc-ID but I think the way Ken described them back in the days they aren't really numbers on the disc but a kind of hash build from several factor, size of the disc-image and dates. So every change to an image would result in a different Disc-Id which we have 18.446.744.073.709.551.616 of to choose from.
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