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Quoting Nadja:

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The rules read that the user should "Use the title from the film's credits." Seems to me that as long as it's the "ß" that appears onscreen, that belongs in the title field.

Unfortunately, this rule doesn't help much. It is quite common for german DVD-releases to take an international master. So, in all likelihood, the film's credit say Great Expectations instead of Große Erwartungen.

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Yes and this is the root of all evil, so to speak. This modified rule causes the inconvinience that a capitalized SS has to be transformed into ß. Whats linguistic correct, but that's not what the cover say... and so on and so forth.

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The cover says "SS". It does not say "ss", nor does it say "ß". So are you arguing for using all capital letters if that is what the title on the movie (or for translated titles, the cover) says?

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The cover says "SS". It does not say "ss", nor does it say "ß". So are you arguing for using all capital letters if that is what the title on the movie (or for translated titles, the cover) says?

The cover says "SS" and rules say to use whats on the cover and then apply a capitalization transformation, which depending the exact title could result in either "ss" or "ß".

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Hmm, seems the forum ate my original reply.

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Lars:

It does NOT say it is OK to insert non-existent data.  

Here you are wrong. From the rules:
"For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title “Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not "

So no English rules, no "neutral conversion" (as if it existed). French rules for French titles, and French rules means inserting the necessary accents (what you refer to as "non-existing data").

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Just go with the alias list.<shakes head>

Not sure which alias list you are referring to, but what about you following the rules instead?


Maybe, Lars, if you don't know what I am referring to, you might consider playing with the Program  BEFRE trying to pickj a fight and make accusations. That way you will at lest know what you are talking about.

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I have seen numerous instances where there are accents, where based on your comment there should be none,

This was discussed on the old forum. The French rules are clear: no accents on capital letters. In practice loosing the accents can hurt readability so much that people include the accents anyway - deliberaly making a gramatical (or is it spelling?) mistake. We did that where I worked before - even had a list of the words where the accent should be preserved so we could at least be consistent in our "mistakes". Yes, a company releasing professionel software DELIBERATELY introducing something that is technically a mistake in order to preserve the accents... and now you want to remove them even where it is an error to leave them out?

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so whom are you to detremnine other than what you see ON the Screen,

Don't know, who are you? In a German title, SS can be the uppercase representation of both "ss" and "ß". You can't see from the screen which is correct, so who are you to choose "ss"?

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it is very simple

Yes, destroying data normally is simple. Until you want to use it obviously. But then you do not need to read these titles, so what do you care it is useless for those actually needing it?

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and will onluy cause controversy by those who WANT to cause controversy at every turn.

You are correct - so why do you insist on causing all this controversy? Just accept that you are probably not the best authority to deside how to handle titles in all languages on the planet. Why not leave it to people with better knowledge, and then benefit fom their decission. Why insist on the "I do not know anything about this, so this is how we must do it" approach?

For credits the rules are unfortunately not that clear as they do not specify WHICH standard to apply. Fair enough, let's discuss which standard makes sense, but do not assume people who have another idea than you about which standard to use are trying to destroy the database.