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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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Not sure why you're quoting me there Alien, I was only given the other resident Alien examples of films that show both Unrated & Not Rated  .
I was just showing both could fall under the 'Unrated' category with the suggested exception. Nothing more.  Ah right, no probs. Was just confused by it. |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I think you are misunderstanding me. I was talking about the ratings area. Yes, some will have 'Unrated' as the edition, then 'Not Rated' as the rating, but they won't have 'Unrated' and 'Not Rated' as the rating. Indeed I was misunderstanding you. Sorry about that. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Oh goody, Exceptions MORE confusion. Exceptions and condityionals are very bad things. This can be done without EITHER. What on earth are you talking about? This exception is exactly what we had prior to the rule change. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Martian, have you learned nothing from the people of this forum. I can guarantee you that this WILL cause confusion, in massive quantities, because it is not as simple as you believe. You are trying to apply to definitions using two terms Unrated and Not rated, but the you absolutely have instance where those terms are both incorporated into a single product, this is exactly the sort of thing I have seen cause confusion here time and time again.
I have yet to see both terms used on a single product. Unrated and a rating, yes. Not rated and a rating, again, yes. Unrated and Not Rated, not that I can remember. Do you have an example of this? I did read what you said, Martian, those are your words NOT mine.  And both Foret and myself proved you wrong. That was exactly the kind of thing I referred to when I mentioned Mixed data to begin with, and i knew that nobody would understand. You just managed to prove it first.  " I have yet to see bothe termms....and then you tell me i didn't read what you said.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
I think the main category still unsettled is that of the example northbloke gave:
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When X-Men first came out on DVD, it included deleted scenes that, via a branching option, could be put back into the film. The theatrical version is PG-13, the longer version is, technically, unrated.
A DVD not advertised as "Unrated", with a normal rating on the cover, but which through one method or another allows the viewing of an alternate version of the main feature that may not be rated. If there is nowhere a note that says Unrated, Not Rated or whatsover, then I would in this special case go for the rating that is on the cover and take those scenes that can be watched with seamless branching as a special feature. Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Martian, have you learned nothing from the people of this forum. I can guarantee you that this WILL cause confusion, in massive quantities, because it is not as simple as you believe. You are trying to apply to definitions using two terms Unrated and Not rated, but the you absolutely have instance where those terms are both incorporated into a single product, this is exactly the sort of thing I have seen cause confusion here time and time again.
I have yet to see both terms used on a single product. Unrated and a rating, yes. Not rated and a rating, again, yes. Unrated and Not Rated, not that I can remember. Do you have an example of this?
I did read what you said, Martian, those are your words NOT mine. And both Foret and myself proved you wrong. That was exactly the kind of thing I referred to when I mentioned Mixed data to begin with, and i knew that nobody would understand. You just managed to prove it first.
" I have yet to see bothe termms....and then you tell me i didn't read what you said. It seems that you stopped reading after the first sentence. What does the very next sentence say? Does that not cover your 'both MPAA R and NOT RATED on the back' example? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Oh goody, Exceptions MORE confusion. Exceptions and condityionals are very bad things. This can be done without EITHER.
So you are saying it is to confusing for you to put "Unrated" if the film has been rated before? Alien: I am saying that the rule has been to use the highest rating for years now. Unrated and NR being the highest rating and it has NEVER, I repeat NEVER been an issue. In other words it worked and it wasn't broken. Ken tried to fix something that wasn't broken to begin with in terms of data entry and immediately caused a problem, and now you want to magnify that by about a factor of 10X. Ken saw the issue as broken from an aspect of sorting, filtering and reports. That is a not a data entry or user problem, that is a programming problem plain and simple. If people are confused about how to do the data entry, then the filtering, sorting and reports are completely meaningless as they are dependent on the data entry to exist. No data...you can sort til the cows come home, you won't get anywhere. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | You didn't answer the question. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No Martian, read your own words,ALL of them
I have yet to see both terms used on a single product. Unrated and a rating, yes. Not rated and a rating, again, yes. Unrated and Not Rated, not that I can remember. Do you have an example of this?
You were proven WRONG twice very quickly, how many more time would you like to proven wrong on this.
You Unrated and Not rated, in fact you said NOTHING relative to all three. You used various combinations of TWO.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
You didn't answer the question. Yes i did. You either didn't understand the answer or didn't like it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You, Martian are backin a definition for Unrated and one for Not Rated. Which cause problems when the two terms share the SAME title....simple. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
No Martian, read your own words,ALL of them
I have yet to see both terms used on a single product. Unrated and a rating, yes. Not rated and a rating, again, yes. Unrated and Not Rated, not that I can remember. Do you have an example of this?
You were proven WRONG twice very quickly, how many more time would you like to proven wrong on this. Actually, I was proven wrong ONCE...but only because Forget and I weren't on the same page...I was talking strictly about the rating and he was thinking edition and rating. My fault for not being as clear as I would like. You provided an example of an MPAA rating and Not Rated on the case. Something I said I had seen. Since you keep missing it, I highlighted it for you.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
You, Martian are backin a definition for Unrated and one for Not Rated. Which cause problems when the two terms share the SAME title....simple. The two situations, an unrated/not rated version of a rated film and a film that has never been rated can never happen on the same release. For whatever reason, you are not seeing this so I guess we will have to agree to disagree. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
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You didn't answer the question.
Yes i did. You either didn't understand the answer or didn't like it. Okay. Please point it out. I see a lot of blaming Ken, but no answer to a direct yes or no question. In fact so it's clear I will ask again: are you saying it's confusing to put unrated for a disc that the mpaa ha rated at least once before? Yes or no is sufficient. Big spin paragraphs tend to hide any points for me. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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No Martian, read your own words,ALL of them
I have yet to see both terms used on a single product. Unrated and a rating, yes. Not rated and a rating, again, yes. Unrated and Not Rated, not that I can remember. Do you have an example of this?
You were proven WRONG twice very quickly, how many more time would you like to proven wrong on this.
Actually, I was proven wrong ONCE...but only because Forget and I weren't on the same page...I was talking strictly about the rating and he was thinking edition and rating. My fault for not being as clear as I would like.
You provided an example of an MPAA rating and Not Rated on the case. Something I said I had seen. Since you keep missing it, I highlighted it for you. <shakes head> You are STILL missing it, I don't want to argue and i don't want to get pissed. So read it again and get back to me when you figure it out.. Same goes for alien, I will NOT be baited into anger. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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