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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Quoting stefc:
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MGS4 Delayed yet again 
If you look at the LASTEST MGS4 trailers, they say "EARLY 2008". April and May would STILL be "EARLY 2008". Therefore, the 2nd quarter announcement could just be narrowing down the time frame, slightly.
If you had read this article, which was linked from the article stefc linked to, you would have known that 'Early 2008' meant no later than February. Why do I say that? Because the Japanese version of the trailer says "This winter". Since winter runs from December to February, early 2008 had to be no later than the end of February.
I keep saying it, you really must read beyond the first page.  If you would have read that article, you should have known that it was a guess. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
What do you mean by "rad"? If you meant to ask if I've read ALL of them, I haven't. However, I've read MOST of the referenced material. Have you? Oh no, you caught me with a typo!  It really stinks when your typos are actual words. Such is life...and, no, I have not read them...though I never claimed I had. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote:
Quoting stefc:
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MGS4 Delayed yet again
If you look at the LASTEST MGS4 trailers, they say "EARLY 2008". April and May would STILL be "EARLY 2008". Therefore, the 2nd quarter announcement could just be narrowing down the time frame, slightly.
If you had read this article, which was linked from the article stefc linked to, you would have known that 'Early 2008' meant no later than February. Why do I say that? Because the Japanese version of the trailer says "This winter". Since winter runs from December to February, early 2008 had to be no later than the end of February.
I keep saying it, you really must read beyond the first page.
If you would have read that article, you should have known that it was a guess. What was a guess? The translation from Japanese to English? I must have missed where it said the translation was a guess. Oh, maybe you mean the fact that 'winter' runs from December to February. Oh, wait, that isn't a guess either it is a fact. I guess you meant the fact that they used the word 'guess'. Technically it wasn't a guess...well, maybe an educated guess. It was a conclusion based on deductive reasoning. "This winter" begins in December of 2007 and ends at the end of February 2008. If we take both statements, "this winter" and "early 2008", there is only one logical conclusion...no later than the end of February 2008. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by your inability to figure that out. Wait, that was wrong. It should have been   | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | It was a guess about both of those trailers applying to the US. Winter translates just fine to English. If they did not use "winter" on the LATEST US trailers, it was most likely on purpose.
I don't think Konami changed the original "winter 2008" trailers for Japan at that time. I believe the latest Japanese trailer states something different. I will check this out. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
It was a guess about both of those trailers applying to the US. Winter translates just fine to English. If they did not use "winter" on the LATEST US trailers, it was most likely on purpose.
I don't think Konami changed the original "winter 2008" trailers for Japan at that time. I believe the latest Japanese trailer states something different. I will check this out. Nice try 'spin doctor', but it isn't going to fly. stefc stated that the game was going to be delayed and you decided to argue that fact. I am not sure why you felt the need to do that, but you did. Because you did, I had to point out the FACTS that you were ignoring... Fact #1, the Japanese trailer stated 'this winter'. Fact #2, 'this winter' runs from December, 2007 thru February, 2008. Fact #3, the US trailer stated 'early 2008'. Fact #4, 'this winter', combined with 'early 2008', equals 'no later than end of February'. Even if you deny those facts, the article includes a press release from Konami that states, and I quote, "KONAMI had initially intended to release "METAL GEAR SOLID 4 GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS" this winter..." So, if they initially intended to release it 'this winter', and they are now going to release it in Q2, which is next spring, doesn't that mean it is being delayed? It sure seems fairly straight forward to me. Again, I am not sure why you felt the need to argue with stefc. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | I brought it up because it is the only game I'm really anticipating for my PS3 and am genuinely gutted its been further delayed, but A_S assumes that anything I say is an attack on Sony, because anything he says is invariably an attack on anything "non-Sony" or some pro-Sony propaganda drivel... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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It was a guess about both of those trailers applying to the US. Winter translates just fine to English. If they did not use "winter" on the LATEST US trailers, it was most likely on purpose.
I don't think Konami changed the original "winter 2008" trailers for Japan at that time. I believe the latest Japanese trailer states something different. I will check this out.
Nice try 'spin doctor', but it isn't going to fly. stefc stated that the game was going to be delayed and you decided to argue that fact. I am not sure why you felt the need to do that, but you did.
Because that is what A_S does, that is what A_S lives for  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote:
It was a guess about both of those trailers applying to the US. Winter translates just fine to English. If they did not use "winter" on the LATEST US trailers, it was most likely on purpose.
I don't think Konami changed the original "winter 2008" trailers for Japan at that time. I believe the latest Japanese trailer states something different. I will check this out.
Nice try 'spin doctor', but it isn't going to fly. stefc stated that the game was going to be delayed and you decided to argue that fact. I am not sure why you felt the need to do that, but you did. Because you did, I had to point out the FACTS that you were ignoring...
Fact #1, the Japanese trailer stated 'this winter'.
Fact #2, 'this winter' runs from December, 2007 thru February, 2008.
Fact #3, the US trailer stated 'early 2008'.
Fact #4, 'this winter', combined with 'early 2008', equals 'no later than end of February'.
Even if you deny those facts, the article includes a press release from Konami that states, and I quote, "KONAMI had initially intended to release "METAL GEAR SOLID 4 GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS" this winter..."
So, if they initially intended to release it 'this winter', and they are now going to release it in Q2, which is next spring, doesn't that mean it is being delayed? It sure seems fairly straight forward to me. Again, I am not sure why you felt the need to argue with stefc. #4 is where you went wrong. Did Konami combine "this winter" with "early 2008" in the US or Japan? NO. Therefore, you are making a LEAP OF FAITH. Leaps of faith are not concrete. That's the part you missed. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | HOW CAN YOU TRY AND ARGUE THIS? DO YOU NOT REALISE HOW STUPID YOU LOOK? www.konami.jp/topics/2007/1031_1/index-e.htmlIF KONAMI USE THE WORDS: Quote:
KONAMI had initially intended to release "METAL GEAR SOLID 4 GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS" this winter and has been working on the production of the title. KONAMI has decided to delay the title's release IN THEIR PRESS RELEASE THEN THAT MEANS KONAMI ARE DELAYING THE RELEASE OF MGS4. THERE IS NO "SLIGHT TIME FRAME NARROWING" GOING ON HERE. YOU ARE WRONG AS YOU ARE IN ALMOST EVERY POST YOU MAKE IN THESE FORUMS. END OF STORY. NOW SHUT UP. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
HOW CAN YOU TRY AND ARGUE THIS? DO YOU NOT REALISE HOW STUPID YOU LOOK?
www.konami.jp/topics/2007/1031_1/index-e.html
IF KONAMI USE THE WORDS:
Quote:
KONAMI had initially intended to release "METAL GEAR SOLID 4 GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS" this winter and has been working on the production of the title. KONAMI has decided to delay the title's release
IN THEIR PRESS RELEASE THEN THAT MEANS KONAMI ARE DELAYING THE RELEASE OF MGS4. THERE IS NO "SLIGHT TIME FRAME NARROWING" GOING ON HERE.
YOU ARE WRONG AS YOU ARE IN ALMOST EVERY POST YOU MAKE IN THESE FORUMS. END OF STORY. NOW SHUT UP. [b]You haven't learned yet? The all knowing A_S is ALWAYS right, all others are WRONG![ /b] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oh great A_S Please read the word delayed in the dictionary. Please try to understand basic English Please stop arguing that Up is Down, Black is White, and that "delayed" doesn't mean DELAYED!!  "KONAMI has decided to delay the title's release in order to make further improvements to the quality of the game and provide even greater enjoyment for more customers worldwide." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote:
It was a guess about both of those trailers applying to the US. Winter translates just fine to English. If they did not use "winter" on the LATEST US trailers, it was most likely on purpose.
I don't think Konami changed the original "winter 2008" trailers for Japan at that time. I believe the latest Japanese trailer states something different. I will check this out.
Nice try 'spin doctor', but it isn't going to fly. stefc stated that the game was going to be delayed and you decided to argue that fact. I am not sure why you felt the need to do that, but you did. Because you did, I had to point out the FACTS that you were ignoring...
Fact #1, the Japanese trailer stated 'this winter'.
Fact #2, 'this winter' runs from December, 2007 thru February, 2008.
Fact #3, the US trailer stated 'early 2008'.
Fact #4, 'this winter', combined with 'early 2008', equals 'no later than end of February'.
Even if you deny those facts, the article includes a press release from Konami that states, and I quote, "KONAMI had initially intended to release "METAL GEAR SOLID 4 GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS" this winter..."
So, if they initially intended to release it 'this winter', and they are now going to release it in Q2, which is next spring, doesn't that mean it is being delayed? It sure seems fairly straight forward to me. Again, I am not sure why you felt the need to argue with stefc.
#4 is where you went wrong. Did Konami combine "this winter" with "early 2008" in the US or Japan? NO. Therefore, you are making a LEAP OF FAITH. Leaps of faith are not concrete. That's the part you missed. hey A_S, you can rant, rave and argue until you are BLUE (!) in the face, it means N O T H I N G Konami has stated in their own press release: "KONAMI has decided to delay the title's release" What freak'n part of the word delay do you not understand??? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
#4 is where you went wrong. Did Konami combine "this winter" with "early 2008" in the US or Japan? NO. Therefore, you are making a LEAP OF FAITH. Leaps of faith are not concrete. That's the part you missed. Are you serious? Did you miss the part where I quoted the Konami press release? I guess you did because the press release, put out by Konami, clearly states, "KONAMI had initially intended to release "METAL GEAR SOLID 4 GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS" this winter..." Do you see what it says? THIS WINTER. I made no leap of faith as Konami admitted that they intended to release the game THIS WINTER. You really should read the entire post before you go off half cocked...unless you enjoy looking like an idiot. Oh, just in case you doubt the press release, it can be found here on their website. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | PS3 Firmware 2.00 TomorrowPretty harsh stuff from Joystiq but to be honest they do have a point. Still no BD 1.1, and no in-game XMB.  MS have announced the Xbox 360 Family timer to be released in "early December" which would suggest a date for the fall 360 update as features like this are usually added in the biannual dashboard updates. | | | | Last edited: by stefc |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | PS3 Firmware 2.0
y a w n |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Battling Butler: Quote:
Quoting stefc:
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HOW CAN YOU TRY AND ARGUE THIS? DO YOU NOT REALISE HOW STUPID YOU LOOK?
www.konami.jp/topics/2007/1031_1/index-e.html
IF KONAMI USE THE WORDS:
Quote:
KONAMI had initially intended to release "METAL GEAR SOLID 4 GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS" this winter and has been working on the production of the title. KONAMI has decided to delay the title's release
IN THEIR PRESS RELEASE THEN THAT MEANS KONAMI ARE DELAYING THE RELEASE OF MGS4. THERE IS NO "SLIGHT TIME FRAME NARROWING" GOING ON HERE.
YOU ARE WRONG AS YOU ARE IN ALMOST EVERY POST YOU MAKE IN THESE FORUMS. END OF STORY. NOW SHUT UP.
[b]You haven't learned yet? The all knowing A_S is ALWAYS right, all others are WRONG![ /b] Here are MY EXACT WORDS... Quote:
#4 is where you went wrong. Did Konami combine "this winter" with "early 2008" in the US or Japan? NO. Therefore, you are making a LEAP OF FAITH. Leaps of faith are not concrete. That's the part you missed. All you did was firm this up as FACT instead of the guessing that was going on. Their guess was correct. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with proving me right or wrong about this. It was a guess from others that happened to be correct. Do you know the difference? | | | To err is human...
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