Quoting Ken Cole:

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2) NR is the LOWEST rating, not the highest

And here is the root of the problem. If we want parental control based on ratings, then something which has not been rated may not get the lowest age recommendation. By default it should get the highest age recommendation which could be changed locally after reviewing the material. If something which is not rated gets the lowest rating, we can not enforce parental control.

I am still seeing confusion and consternation, Ken. I still believe we go with Unrated=NR and  an additional field of data which users can then plug in whatever information they wish LOCALLY only that will clarify the rating for them and their use of Parental Controls, since that what this seems to revolve around more than other single issue. But it has to be a local only piece of data, since no two users can be expected to share the same opinions relative to a film.

I can understand that, Pete but I don't think that is the ultimate solution that people seem to desire. Neither one will impart much information on it's own, a new field for Local use I think is best, then each user can  make his/her own choice as to how Unrated and NR can be further clarified for their own purposes.

There is a problem with setting the "unrated" age to 17, it may not actually be appropriate.  If a movie was released in the theaters as PG-13, the unrated version is not necessarily "R".  It could still be "PG-13".

Probably the best solution, Change the use of the rating field to "Theatrical Rating", and put in what the local authorities rated it as.  Most of the UNrated cuts, are part of the edition field anyway, so continue to use them as the edition.  This would only leave the straight to DVD movies that would have a problem.

Charlie

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in the post above my last one you said NR=Unrated.

that sounds like you think we should just continue using NR for the unrated... if that is the case I disagree.

Or it could also sounds like Unrated being lowest rating along with NR... if so I also disagree there... I think it should be NR= Lowest... Unrated = Highest.

I think that should be the first step as It would give the most logical starting point (IMHO). Then if in the next version Ken wants to do a local thing for ages per rating or per profile even... that is cool. But the last thing I would want is JUST a local answer to this whole thing. As I don't (and I am sure most others) don't want to have to go through literally hundreds if not thousands of profiles just to add an age to it.

Quoting Ken Cole:

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I'm inclined at the moment to add an Unrated rating, for use when the DVD is marked on the cover as Unrated, via "Unrated", "Director's Unrated Cut", or similar.  That would seem to cover the large majority of the titles in question while keeping the rule as straightforward as possible.

To be realistic, there is no policy that we can settle on that fits every user's preferences for how these titles are handled.  I think the above will fit the largest majority of the users for the most common DVDs.

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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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I can understand that, Pete but I don't think that is the ultimate solution that people seem to desire. Neither one will impart much information on it's own, a new field for Local use I think is best, then each user can  make his/her own choice as to how Unrated and NR can be further clarified for their own purposes.

For my part, I'm absolutely not interested in any new local only field. Local only genres, local only custom roles, local only head shots are all empty in every profile of my collection.

Well, Rho I am certainly not interested in what you think the age rating should be on any movie, nor do i care what Charlie thinks in that vein or anyone. DVDProfiler is not a Rating organization. If you choose not to use it, as I probably wouldn't frankly, that's fine. But I do recognize the problem and that there are people  for which Unrated and NR will not provide the information that they want when they are filtering or creating a report and the best way for that to happen is via a new field, but there is no sanctioning body that outlines what the Age rating sould be for any given movie, when we deal with Unrated and NR, those correspond to nothing in the MPAA system. Therefore the decision is up to each individual user and THAT Rho is a LOCAL decision it is nothing relevant to the Online.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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in the post above my last one you said NR=Unrated.

that sounds like you think we should just continue using NR for the unrated... if that is the case I disagree.

Or it could also sounds like Unrated being lowest rating along with NR... if so I also disagree there... I think it should be NR= Lowest... Unrated = Highest.

I think that should be the first step as It would give the most logical starting point (IMHO). Then if in the next version Ken wants to do a local thing for ages per rating or per profile even... that is cool. But the last thing I would want is JUST a local answer to this whole thing. As I don't (and I am sure most others) don't want to have to go through literally hundreds if not thousands of profiles just to add an age to it.

Pete:

Personally speaking I do believe that Unrated and NR are the same, BUT if Ken wants to separate them that is a Program call, that said Charlie is absolutely correct when he says that data remains fairly meaningless. What does one or the other becoming the lowest rating really mean, does it suddenly mean hypothetically Dora and Pitch black are same because they are bot the lowest rating or the highest rating. I don't think so, so IF as Ken seems to indicate he has had to deal with, then we need to fine tune, the broad data of Unrated or NR to actually begin to take on some context. The best way to do that is via some sort of local data field for Age or description, whatever gives some definition to the "rating" for the user. Tghis exactly why the MPAA started including the consumer advice with the specific rating, to provide the film goer with some idea of what the basis fr the rating is.