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are you guys seriously discussing if a film is a film?? that might be the funniest thing I've read all day. I'd really love to see how anyone tries to show that the B/W Ben Hur is not a film

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John,

How you keep coming back with this "packaging" argument is beyond me. You have lost this argument (if you can call it that) now, for the third time and you're just repeating yourself.

You still haven't justified how you consider it as being marketed as bonus material. Is it because the 1925 film is on disc 3 instead of discs 1 & 2? You should keep in mind that the 1959 version is too long to put on one disc. I don't see where it calls the 1925 version "Bonus Material" anywhere on the package. As a matter of fact, disc 4 is titled "About the Movies". Notice the plural reference without preference to either of the two films in the set. You will see, if you take the time to look, that the credits for both films are included on the back cover. You will also find that both films are mentioned in the video formats. Wow, they are both mentioned in the copyright too. I find it strange that the documentaries are not listed here. Both films are listed in the ratings as well. Again, no mention of the documentaries.

Now, as far as graphics on the cover are concerned, I'll grant that there are no images from the 1925 version. Then again, we're talking commercialism here and what better way to promote the set than to use a stylized reprint of the highly successful 1959 one-sheet for the films release to theatres? Wonderful and effective image (not to mention familiar).

Hmmm, let's open the package and see if we find anything inside which supports your assertions.
Nope, not there either. We see a repeat of the credits for both films again. We also see chapter menus for each film and the documentaries.

Sorry John, I just don't find anything which supports your opinion. To the contrary, this is packaged just like any other Digipak set. Since both films have the same basic title, there really is no reason to list it twice. What would you have them do, call it the Ben-Hur Ben-Hur Collection?


Just for kicks, here is an image of the 1959 one-sheet.


Here is the front cover


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We have been using this modified box set way of profiling a number of movies that come as part of a bonus to the feature being sold.  This was a compromise to those who didn't want the an empty parent and two children.

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We have been using this modified box set way of profiling a number of movies that come as part of a bonus to the feature being sold.  This was a compromise to those who didn't want the an empty parent and two children.

I think this sort of thing should be added to the rules, to let people know that there are compromises in place, and that in certain circumstances the rules can be circumvented.
We can't rely on forum discussion threads to point us in the right direction, especially discussions from Intervocative. I'm sure there are new users using this program every day, and to expect them to know these things is unreasonable.

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We have been using this modified box set way of profiling a number of movies that come as part of a bonus to the feature being sold.  This was a compromise to those who didn't want the an empty parent and two children.

John,

This brings up another point. Those who want these profiles are willing to compromise even though we are in the majority. Should we take the stance you few are taking? Should we let the majority rule and disallow what you want?

I fail to understand the dogmatic and unreasonable thinking possessed by those of you who don't want these profiles.

"It's bonus material and noting more." I mean, really! How closed minded can you be?

Next time one of these things come up, perhaps we should all behave like you and shut you down?

I'm not being any more dogmatic or unreasonable than those who want this stuff.  This all started out when somebody wanted to make it a box set when it clearly isn't.  That didn't work, so they come back with this other method.  I just don't understand this compulsive need to profile everything.  Reminds me of the military where they tell you if it moves salute it, and it it don't, paint it.

I also don't understand the rationale that just because something in the bonus material is a movie, there is this compulsion to profile it.

But, that's fine.  You guys want to do that, go for it.  I think all it does is confuse things.  I still have the right to express myself on the subject, or is that not the case anymore?

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Now we have no means to find them from the db if they are not profiled separately. I think that the DVDprofiler is a great tool for collectors, but it would raise it up to a new level if we could use it as a tool to find these "non-released" films. Got it?