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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Sure... you could do all you want with manual profiles... heck if you wanted to you could profile each episode of every set you own manually. But they are of course talking to be able to contribute it. That I don't know how they could do on most cases (in my experience). (I understand all that; I was just offering what is possible/allowable, when submission is not.  ) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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I recently contributed a profile which (cover information) had 4 episodes of a TV-series, and 2 "bonus" episodes of the same season of the same series.
I totally agree with your interpretation. What amazes me is to see how many people read rules to the letter without trying to use their brain as they generally do in normal life... The trouble with people using their own brains instead of following rules to the letter is that not everyone reaches the same interpretation -- so who gets to decide which is "right"? At least when rules are followed to the letter there is less chance of "interpretation" mucking things up. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
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I recently contributed a profile which (cover information) had 4 episodes of a TV-series, and 2 "bonus" episodes of the same season of the same series.
I totally agree with your interpretation. What amazes me is to see how many people read rules to the letter without trying to use their brain as they generally do in normal life...
The trouble with people using their own brains instead of following rules to the letter is that not everyone reaches the same interpretation -- so who gets to decide which is "right"? At least when rules are followed to the letter there is less chance of "interpretation" mucking things up. I agree and that's the way I try to do things. Of course the fun starts when you get two different rules that conflict with each other!  |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
... -- so who gets to decide which is "right"? The screeners. In Staid S Barr's example, they accepted the profile. I consider it was a good thing... | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Just because you received no comments and it went through does not necessarily means it is per the rules. Not only do we see things slip in all the time... Ken and Gerri has made the comment that they will let wrong stuff slip in at times if it is part of a larger update to make it worth it. So just because something is in the database is no indication that it is allowed. A reason for letting things "slip in" could be that it is a lot easier to remove unwanted episodes locally, than it is to add them for people who are interested. And these were regular episodes, not episodes of a different series, or even of a different season. Just labelled "bonus" on the cover (and don't we go by the Disc?). | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | What I am saying is you have no idea what they are thinking when something is accepted. All good and per rules, Mostly good per rules... but some problems and they let it through anyway for the good info or if it was just a mistake and the screener hit the wrong button. Since all those are options and have been confirmed as happening before... unless Ken and/or Gerri says otherwise we need to go strictly by the rules.
And as I said before (btw don't matter if they are the same show or not) If they are listed as bonus material (and yes I would go by the discs menus before the box. So if they are listed with the rest of the episodes and nothing indicating that it is bonus material in the menus I would consider them part of the whole. But if they are listed as bonus... even if it is the same show... I would consider them as bonus material and not profile them for the online. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
What I am saying is you have no idea what they are thinking when something is accepted. All good and per rules, Mostly good per rules... but some problems and they let it through anyway for the good info or if it was just a mistake and the screener hit the wrong button. Since all those are options and have been confirmed as happening before... unless Ken and/or Gerri says otherwise we need to go strictly by the rules.
And as I said before (btw don't matter if they are the same show or not) If they are listed as bonus material (and yes I would go by the discs menus before the box. So if they are listed with the rest of the episodes and nothing indicating that it is bonus material in the menus I would consider them part of the whole. But if they are listed as bonus... even if it is the same show... I would consider them as bonus material and not profile them for the online. I have a problem with this. Additional whole episodes of a series (any series) is a different kind of bonus from a Behind-the-Scenes featurette. Especially when they include all the credits. If you exclude these episodes simply because they are labeled "bonus" (either on the box or on the menus) you deprive users of data that I think most of us would want. And as Staid says, it's easier for someone who doesn't want the "bonus episode" data to delete it from the online than for EVERYONE who wants it to add it locally. So I truly believe an exception should be made for additional episodes available in a television set. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | I definitely would get use out of it. Like with CSI (season 7, I think) that has a bonus episode of Without a Trace (as it was the second part of a 2-part cross-over). Well, since I doubt we'll ever see the show on DVD (outside of the first season), that info would be useful. |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMovieman: Quote:
...bonus episode of Without a Trace (as it was the second part of a 2-part cross-over). Well, since I doubt we'll ever see the show on DVD (outside of the first season), that info would be useful. OT but if you can play region 2 PAL discs, we've got up to season 4 of Without a Trace on DVD. Link | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
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What I am saying is you have no idea what they are thinking when something is accepted. All good and per rules, Mostly good per rules... but some problems and they let it through anyway for the good info or if it was just a mistake and the screener hit the wrong button. Since all those are options and have been confirmed as happening before... unless Ken and/or Gerri says otherwise we need to go strictly by the rules.
And as I said before (btw don't matter if they are the same show or not) If they are listed as bonus material (and yes I would go by the discs menus before the box. So if they are listed with the rest of the episodes and nothing indicating that it is bonus material in the menus I would consider them part of the whole. But if they are listed as bonus... even if it is the same show... I would consider them as bonus material and not profile them for the online.
I have a problem with this. Additional whole episodes of a series (any series) is a different kind of bonus from a Behind-the-Scenes featurette. Especially when they include all the credits. If you exclude these episodes simply because they are labeled "bonus" (either on the box or on the menus) you deprive users of data that I think most of us would want.
And as Staid says, it's easier for someone who doesn't want the "bonus episode" data to delete it from the online than for EVERYONE who wants it to add it locally. So I truly believe an exception should be made for additional episodes available in a television set. I don't know what to tell you Ken... I did not write that particular rule. And I am all for an exception for TV Show episodes... but until Ken or Gerri gives us the ok there is no cast/crew/overviews for bonus material. So until the time comes that we get an exception/OK from Ken & Gerri I would have to vote no on such additions. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with those who are saying that a bonus episode of a TV series is the same thing as a bonus feature film. Besides the obvious parellels, it isn't always clear what is and isn't a bonus. Do we just go by whether they use the word "bonus"? Do they have to use it on the packaging, the disc or both? For instance, the "Ally McBeal" complete series contains an episode of "The Practice" which is the second part of a two-parter that started on Ally. The package calls it a bonus, but it's in with the episodes on the disc itself, not in the special features menu. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok, so was there a consensus with this? I have NCIS: LA Blu-ray which contains two episodes from NCIS which served as the backdoor spin-off for the series. The episodes are listed on the back cover as a special feature but they are listed with the other episodes. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | You came here expecting a concensus?  Personally, I go by how the disc treats them - if they're in the same menus as the other episodes, then I'd profile them, if they're in the special features menu then I wouldn't. If they're on their own disc you could also treat them as we do "bonus films" and again you'd be allowed to profile them. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe the way northbloke put above is basically the way it has to be done. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok, sounds good. Thanks. |
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