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Unrated, part 3 (the final chapter?) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 275 |
| | | Registered: May 8, 2007 |  Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | This looks like it's getting a lot of support. Not a good thing.
What happens if it's a film that has NEVER been rated, but says "Unrated" somewhere on the cover? Contradictory and confusing. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
This looks like it's getting a lot of support. Not a good thing. I'm happy to live in a locality which is not concerned by this incredible mess... Hope Ken will never think to implement it outside R1. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,655 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting LDH: Quote:
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I have a problem with any Rule that tells us to enter data that is contrary to what's on the DVD cover or the DVD itself and/or requires knowledge of other DVD releases of the movie ! 
Actually. it seems to me that it's even worse. If you want to profile a title that has no rating information you need to know a) Did this title have a theatrical release b) If so, is this an alternate version Please tell me this is not the way you want to go...  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Actually. it seems to me that it's even worse.
If you want to profile a title that has no rating information you need to know
a) Did this title have a theatrical release
b) If so, is this an alternate version
Please tell me this is not the way you want to go... A is easy to determine. You go to filmratings.com and see if the movie was ever rated. In theory, it's an alternate version if the release you have doesn't have the MPAA rating on it, but I did find some examples where the rated version is released with no indication of the rating. There's also a C: If so, was this version released after the rated version. |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
Agree with that. I want Not Rated and Unrated. In general I want to enter what is on the package (and where I don't, I don't mind keeping it local). But having the Unrated option would greatly enhance my local as well as the contributable. Well said and the very reason why I want both, too. I absolutely don't mind keeping it local, but there is what Addicted mentioned too about not really wanting to go through my collection solo.  | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,655 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
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Actually. it seems to me that it's even worse.
If you want to profile a title that has no rating information you need to know
a) Did this title have a theatrical release
b) If so, is this an alternate version
Please tell me this is not the way you want to go...
A is easy to determine. You go to filmratings.com and see if the movie was ever rated. In theory, it's an alternate version if the release you have doesn't have the MPAA rating on it, but I did find some examples where the rated version is released with no indication of the rating. There's also a C: If so, was this version released after the rated version. Sure, it may be easy for you and me. But how easy will it be for the average Profiler user who doesn't visit this forum? And I also have a problem with this: Add Unrated as a rating for US/CanadaHow exactly do I determine if a certain Blu-ray title falls under this restriction? A region free BD can be used anywhere in the world. For smaller distributors, the exact same product may be marketed all over the world. So if it has no rating info, how do I know if the above applies? It may not be a problem for most titles, but it still adds another conditional to the mix. The most common complaint against DVD Profiler (outside of this forum) is that the rules are too complicated. Please let us not complicated them any more than is necessary in order to solve what to me seems like a rather insignificant problem. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting zappman: Quote:
Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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- Get rid of the confusing "NR" and replace it with "NONE", none would mean the movie has not been rated.
Why not keep it simple?
Yes. That would be a lot easier to understand. Good idea.
I personally disagree. Why make up our own names? A lot of titles show NR or Not Rated.
That would be like those of us in the UK asking Exempt to be renamed "Not Rated by the BBFC".
Nope, I am not making anything up.
Go to http://www.mpaa.org/ratings/what-each-rating-means.
It lists the ratings as G, PG, PG-13, R and NC-17.
That is all of the MPAA ratings, there no others.
If the movie does not have one of those five ratings, it has "NONE".
The "NR" is what is made up, it is not an MPAA rating, and its use is confusing. YOU are indeed creating fiction, zapp. The ACTUAL data on nearly every title is either NOT RATED or it is YNRATED, there has never been a a title with NONE as the data printed on the package, NEVER. So you are creating FICTION. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Try it like this: Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
The problem with that is there is no such rating as "none." The actual data on every title I've ever seen is either "Not Rated" or "Unrated;" I have never seen a title with "None" as a printed rating, so to me, this is like creating fiction. It says the same thing but is not confrontational, therefore people will tend listen to you and better respect what you are saying, even if they disagree with it. Isn't that what you want? | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | So what if, say for instance, living in Canada, and Canada, having it's own lovely ratings that they tack onto everything, you end up with a profile that specifically states Unrated on the cover (pushing it to the highest rating possible if I'm understanding properly) but that also has a distinct Canadian rating on the back cover (which no matter what, except for adult, is going to be a lower rating)?
It's a completely common place thing with dvds & blu-rays released in Canada.
Going through my collection and updating profiles missing countries of origins, in the last day alone, I've come across two.
Basic Instinct (UPC 065935-206606). Just submitted corrections for it. According to the front cover, this profile is a "Special Edition: Unrated Director's Cut". And according to the back cover, this profile has a distinct Canadian home video rating of 18A: Explicit Sexual Content, Sexual Violence.
Pulse (UPC 065935-223313). Have to scan covers, then submitting. According to the front cover, this profile is an: "Unrated: Widescreen Edition". And according to the back cover, this profile has a distinct Canadian home video rating of 14A: Frightening Scenes, Not Recommended for Young Children.
I'm supposed to checked off Unrated when submitting the profile, and leave the very prominent rating and rating details out of the profile? I don't think I like that.
Canada has it's own ratings. It's own theatrical ratings which differ from the U.S. and it's own Home Video ratings, which get put on just about every single Canadian locality profile disc you can think of, including Unrated discs... because just because the dvd and the cut of the movie itself may be unrated, the Canadian rating system has still seen fit to give the release a distinct Canadian rating.
I bet I could go through my collection, pull out my Canadian locality Unrated profiles, and almost every single one would have a Canadian rating (most with Canadian rating details) on the back cover (even Canadian locality release television shows will have this rating on them).
I'm completely all for an Unrated option in the ratings system (because there absolutely will be the occasion when a DVD is unrated and no Canadian rating appears on the cover, I'd bet my life on it), but I'm not all for that Unrated rating taking prominence over the Canadian rating that's been placed on the dvd. I'd be leaving off fairly important data to my locality, and that just doesn't seem right to me. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,735 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Basic Instinct (UPC 065935-206606). Just submitted corrections for it. According to the front cover, this profile is a "Special Edition: Unrated Director's Cut". And according to the back cover, this profile has a distinct Canadian home video rating of 18A: Explicit Sexual Content, Sexual Violence. Bolding by me: that's the rating I want to track in DVD Profiler. I'm strongly against any rule that prohibits this. Quote:
Pulse (UPC 065935-223313). Have to scan covers, then submitting. According to the front cover, this profile is an: "Unrated: Widescreen Edition". And according to the back cover, this profile has a distinct Canadian home video rating of 14A: Frightening Scenes, Not Recommended for Young Children. Again: that's the rating I want to track in DVD Profiler. "Unrated" is a nice marketing gimmick, but often nothing more. It's nicely listed in the "Edition" field where it belongs, but it should NEVER trump the actual rating. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting zappman:
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- Get rid of the confusing "NR" and replace it with "NONE", none would mean the movie has not been rated.
Why not keep it simple?
Yes. That would be a lot easier to understand. Good idea. If there is nothing on the cover, I'd propose to leave the field blank. If there is NR or Not Rated on the cover, use "NR". If there is "Unrated" on the cover, use "Unrated". Keep it simple. | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think we have passed "simple" in this discussion 233 posts ago  Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
I think we have passed "simple" in this discussion 233 posts ago
Donnie Very true, if it were simple we wouldn't have the confusion caused by making up data and trying to make things something other than what they are. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: September 6, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 123 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting zappman:
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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Quoting zappman:
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- Get rid of the confusing "NR" and replace it with "NONE", none would mean the movie has not been rated.
Why not keep it simple?
Yes. That would be a lot easier to understand. Good idea.
I personally disagree. Why make up our own names? A lot of titles show NR or Not Rated.
That would be like those of us in the UK asking Exempt to be renamed "Not Rated by the BBFC".
Nope, I am not making anything up.
Go to http://www.mpaa.org/ratings/what-each-rating-means.
It lists the ratings as G, PG, PG-13, R and NC-17.
That is all of the MPAA ratings, there no others.
If the movie does not have one of those five ratings, it has "NONE".
The "NR" is what is made up, it is not an MPAA rating, and its use is confusing.
YOU are indeed creating fiction, zapp. The ACTUAL data on nearly every title is either NOT RATED or it is YNRATED, there has never been a a title with NONE as the data printed on the package, NEVER. So you are creating FICTION. A Film or a TV show either has a rating or it does not. The words "Not Rated" on box provides no information about the content of the material in the box. The point I was trying to make was that the Letters "NR" are not a rating. When I give the someone the URL of my online collection and they see "NR" just what does that Mean? I think that the "None" in the rating box or "Not Rated" spelled out in the rating box out is much more accurate and descriptive than the totally made up, fictional rating of "NR". Show me Skip, where the Letters "NR" are a rating. Please send me I link, I am always eager to learn. The real problem with the words "Not Rated" on a box is that it tells you nothing about how appropriate the material is to be watched by anyone. It is like the "Ace" in a deck of cards sometimes it is high and some times it is low. | | | | Last edited: by zappman |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Merrik:
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Basic Instinct (UPC 065935-206606). Just submitted corrections for it. According to the front cover, this profile is a "Special Edition: Unrated Director's Cut". And according to the back cover, this profile has a distinct Canadian home video rating of 18A: Explicit Sexual Content, Sexual Violence.
Bolding by me: that's the rating I want to track in DVD Profiler. I'm strongly against any rule that prohibits this.
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Pulse (UPC 065935-223313). Have to scan covers, then submitting. According to the front cover, this profile is an: "Unrated: Widescreen Edition". And according to the back cover, this profile has a distinct Canadian home video rating of 14A: Frightening Scenes, Not Recommended for Young Children.
Again: that's the rating I want to track in DVD Profiler. "Unrated" is a nice marketing gimmick, but often nothing more. It's nicely listed in the "Edition" field where it belongs, but it should NEVER trump the actual rating. 18A > Unrated, so 18A goes in the ratings box. Highest rating wins. The order can be seen in DVD Profiler just by sorting by rating, when/if the Unrated is added. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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