Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Are we now going to use dividers for every group crew credit?

Written by John Smith & Jane Sams and Bill Simms becomes...

Written by
John Smith Writer
Jane Sams  Writer
Bill Simms  Writer

...I am sorry, but this is a group role, not a crew team.  While we use dividers for group roles in cast, we don't in crew.

Agree.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Are we now going to use dividers for every group crew credit?

Written by John Smith & Jane Sams and Bill Simms becomes...

Written by
John Smith Writer
Jane Sams  Writer
Bill Simms  Writer

...I am sorry, but this is a group role, not a crew team.  While we use dividers for group roles in cast, we don't in crew.

I don't think this is a valid comparison, and also would not make logical sense.  Plus would not "Mirror" the credits.

I am also not sure I could call this a "group role", but again, I am not sure that there is anything in the rules that actually forbids this either.

It is logical and it mirrors the credits.  What else?

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Are we now going to use dividers for every group crew credit?

Written by John Smith & Jane Sams and Bill Simms becomes...

Written by
John Smith Writer
Jane Sams  Writer
Bill Simms  Writer

...I am sorry, but this is a group role, not a crew team.  While we use dividers for group roles in cast, we don't in crew.

What's the definition of a team in you vocabulary? Because Written By is indeed a (group) role, "Based on the Motion Picture Bedazzled" clearly isn't.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Quoting Corne:

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What's the definition of a team in you vocabulary? Because Written By is indeed a (group) role, "Based on the Motion Picture Bedazzled" clearly isn't.

That is because you are looking at format, rather than content.  The credit, though formatted to include the group, is:

Based on the motion picture Bedazzled screenplay by Peter Cook
Based on the motion picture Bedazzled story by Peter Cook and Dudley Moore

That is no different than any other OMB credit.  All they did was put them all under a single group header.

The same thing you can say then about Visual Effects studio credits, for example:

Lucas Film Visual Effects Supervisor YYY XXX

And look at the part that I have made bold. Indeed a header, not a role. Together they were as a team responsible for the writing of the original film.

Quoting northbloke:

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I'm sorry but in my eyes, in this example Pete & Dud are a crew team. They are a group of people who worked on the 1967 film "Bedazzled".

They worked on the production of the film: crew
There's more than one and they worked together: team

If "crew team" is meant to mean something else, maybe a definition should be added to the rules.

I don't see these guys as a "crew team" for this movie at all.  They are responsible for the writing of the previous movie and are simply being acknowledged for that work (OMB).  They did zero work on this film, so how can they be considered a "crew team" in the same vain as an ILM credit?  No comparison, IMHO.

Quoting CharlieM:

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That is not wholly true.  While they are credited with a heading of the previous movie crew, Moore and Cooke are also responsible for the story for this movie.  Different screenplay, but still the same story. 

Did they write the story for this movie or for the former movie? If they didn't write it for this movie, it's OMB and nothing else, in my opinion.

Personally, I think the use of dividers are getting out of hand.

Quoting hal9g:

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What can be entered in DVDP should not be based on what "has not been forbidden", but rather what has been described in the Rules.

And I am sorry, they did NOT write the story for this movie unless they are incredible clairvoyants.  They wrote the story for "Bedazzled".  That's like saying Shakespeare wrote the story Hamlet for the movie of the same name!

OK, I can accept that premis.

So I ask you, show me the desription in the rules, that says what is to be contributed.

First reference to dividers and crew

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List individual credits only, not company name credits. Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name.

This one is a mere reference as to listing of individuals in the crew credits and not companies.  I don't think this applies to this situation

Second reference

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Dividers allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings. Wherever possible, these groupings should mirror the film credits.
    * Use Episode dividers for TV show episodes, distinct films, or other logical episodic distinction. Also use episode dividers for full cast division, such as "Japanese Voices".
    * Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".
    * "Cast", "In order of appearance" or other similar headers at the start of the credits should not be entered.
    * Also use Group dividers for crew teams, included only if the crew meets the other listing requirements.
    * Groups should be ended with a "Group End" type divider, unless the next entry begins a new group. Do not add a group end divider at the end of the cast, or at the end of a crew section.

Three sections bolded by me

1 logical groupings, mirror credits  -  this one applies
2 crew teams only if meet other listing requirements  <--- part in question
3.  need or not for end dividers  --- doesn't apply

So only #2 is in question here.  The second part of that statement only aplies to whether it is a proper credit to be entered  (No script supervisor etc.) 

So the only question is the first pat of that statement.  Are they a crew team? 

It doesn't say anything about this movie, it doesn't say sound crew or visual effects crew, and these do not say anything about company.

So, positive question instead of negative question.

Should it be allowed, under the current rules?


Unless I am missing something...


Charlie

I am not going to offer specific thoughts on this title. But I will offer some generic information which I hope will prove useful

I know a lot of users will or are sayin that Screen Story is OMB, which uis just flat wrong. It is Story By, Now how can i say that ione might wonder.

I have seen films that contain all of the following

Based on the novel By (OMB)
Screen Story By (Story By)
Screenplay By (Scereenwriter)

Now how do I feel about Original Screenplay By, under the Rules it is clearly not OMB, another movie is not another medium. That said for those of not using Custom Roles I can sse where this data would appear confusing perhaps, I know that for Charlie and myslef and I think James too, this poses no challenge since we use Custom Roles, maybe someday they will be contributable.