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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,735 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
There is a difference between symbols and logos. And I for one only see a letter and a number. Nothing that isn't easily added with a standard keyboard. Is that the criterium? The "S" that I see on the cover of several 'Superman' DVD release can be easily entered with a standard keyboard. So would you enter a DVD with only the 'Superman'-logo on the cover as "S"? Or is that a logo? If it is: where do we draw the line? I assume it's somewhere between that "S" and "T2", but could we pinpoint the turning point for future reference? At what point exactly does it stop being a logo? |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
In that reasoning even some on screen titles couldn't be entered... And I would like you to explain how T2 is a standard symbol (symbol isn't the same as a logo). I never said anything about a standard symbol, and neither do the rules. Why is T2 not a symbol while TM is? The TM on the cover isn't raised like ™, so how can you be so sure it's not part of the title? Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Right. There is a difference between symbols and logos. And I for one only see a letter and a number. Nothing that isn't easily added with a standard keyboard. I agree. Just like TM is only two letters and can easily be added with a standard keyboard. Note: At this point I'd like to point out that I certainly do not agree with adding TM as part of the title. But I think the idea to do so is just as ludicrous as making T2 the title, so I'm using it to illustrate my point. | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The S in the superman Logo is more just an "S" it is an S shield. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The S in the superman Logo is more just an "S" it is an S shield. I agree with Pete. I have yet to find a Superman title that has a plain 'S' on the cover. All the ones I could find had the Superman Shield...an 'S' inside a diamond. Does somebody have an example of this not being the case? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,655 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just because something consists of letters and/or numbers doesn't mean that it can't be a logo. There are plenty of examples of that.
Also, if you do a little search you'll find plenty of web sites that refer to "The T2 logo".
In my opinion, the "T2" is clearly a logo. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting Astrakan:
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Quoting KinoNiki:
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Just out of curiosity, what is the title on the spines?
Terminator 2
Judgment Day
That's on two lines, with a thick line separating the two. The credit block says "Terminator 2: Judgment Day"
As far as I'm concerned, this is just one more reason for why the title rule should be changed from:
"Use the title from the front cover."
to:
"Use the title from the credit block. If there is no credit block, use the title from the spine. If there is no title on the spine, use the title on the front cover. If there is no title on the front cover, use the title from the opening credits."
The reasoning being, the credit block usually has the most legible/pronounceable version of the title. Followed by the spine, and lastly the front cover which relatively often use a logo or other graphical representation of the title that's more marketing gimmick than legible/pronounceable.
There's an original title field for this... Exactly.  But no critism: I think he just owns titles where the title is not much different to the original title. With Astrakan's idea, I would loose the German title of nearly all my movies.  And as second step I would request a "Location title" field.  |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
But no critism: I think he just owns titles where the title is not much different to the original title. It's true that for the vast majority of my movies the locality matches the language (meaning U.S. movies with a U.S. or Canada locality, Swedish movies with a Swedish locality, etc.) but I've got about 40 movies where that's not the case. Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
With Astrakan's idea, I would loose the German title of nearly all my movies. Really? Foreign movies in the Germany locality has the original title in the credit block? Instead if the German title I mean. I checked a couple of my movies on random ( The Lives of Others/Das Leben der Anderen and Pan's Labyrinth/El laberinto del fauno) and they both had the English title in the credit block, which matches their locality. If this is not the case in other localities then I fully admit my idea wouldn't work at all. That said, I think the current rule is flawed in that it allows for logos and/or symbols to be entered. | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Interested in the opinions to this:  Can be seen not good, but it is W"Delta sign"Z. (And I think the on screen title is same, but I have to check to say for sure. Wanted to this in a separate thread, but I think here it matches also in some kind) I had to vote on a contribution changing the original title to "w delta z", according to some online sources. The Delta sign can't be contributed. Until now the versions I saw in database do it all as WAZ. You can Kick my ass, but I voted No to the change with the reason: w delta z not shown on the screen and change would "destroy the CLT result. Edit: Btw, no title in credit block. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | For the trademark question there was a thread I think with the Hot Wheels World Race movie, but I can't find it. Even the google search won't help me. *Grr* |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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With Astrakan's idea, I would loose the German title of nearly all my movies.
Really? Foreign movies in the Germany locality has the original title in the credit block? Instead if the German title I mean. I checked a couple of my movies on random (The Lives of Others/Das Leben der Anderen and Pan's Labyrinth/El laberinto del fauno) and they both had the English title in the credit block, which matches their locality.
If this is not the case in other localities then I fully admit my idea wouldn't work at all. That said, I think the current rule is flawed in that it allows for logos and/or symbols to be entered. It's hard to do an estimation in percent, but from what I've seen I strongly feel more movies do have the original title in credit block than the German title. (Of course for movies CoO different to locality (Germany) and based on what I've seen in my collection) | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah, I don't like the idea of going to the credit block first for titles as often the credit block refers to the film(s) on the DVD, not the DVD itself, and there are probably plenty of cases where the DVD and film are genuinely called different things.
But I certainly think that and the spine should be used to help determine the proper title to use for a release.
As for the WAZ example, that is an awkward one - as it's physically impossible to type in the proper title W?Z. I think until the program is updated to include more characters (which we need for names etc. anyway) WAZ is the best we can do - W Delta Z is right out! (And BTW is the same name used by a certain movie database that's based on the internet)
Edit: strange, the letter Delta appears fine in the preview, but not after you've submitted. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Just because something consists of letters and/or numbers doesn't mean that it can't be a logo. There are plenty of examples of that.
Also, if you do a little search you'll find plenty of web sites that refer to "The T2 logo".
In my opinion, the "T2" is clearly a logo. I don't see how it matters whether it is a logo or not as the rules don't make that distinction. If we can enter it, using a standard key board, then that is what we enter. We can't enter the Superman Shield so, if there is a release with nothing but that on the front cover, we would enter Superman. We can't enter the Batman logo so, for those releases with nothing but that on the front cover, we enter Batman. We can enter 'T2', so that is what we should enter. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is indeed the way I always understood it as well Martian. | | | | Pete |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting GSyren:
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Just because something consists of letters and/or numbers doesn't mean that it can't be a logo. There are plenty of examples of that.
Also, if you do a little search you'll find plenty of web sites that refer to "The T2 logo".
In my opinion, the "T2" is clearly a logo.
I don't see how it matters whether it is a logo or not as the rules don't make that distinction. If we can enter it, using a standard key board, then that is what we enter.
We can't enter the Superman Shield so, if there is a release with nothing but that on the front cover, we would enter Superman.
We can't enter the Batman logo so, for those releases with nothing but that on the front cover, we enter Batman.
We can enter 'T2', so that is what we should enter. Yes that's how the rules are written and in my opinion rightly so. | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting GSyren:
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Just because something consists of letters and/or numbers doesn't mean that it can't be a logo. There are plenty of examples of that.
Also, if you do a little search you'll find plenty of web sites that refer to "The T2 logo".
In my opinion, the "T2" is clearly a logo.
I don't see how it matters whether it is a logo or not as the rules don't make that distinction. If we can enter it, using a standard key board, then that is what we enter.
We can't enter the Superman Shield so, if there is a release with nothing but that on the front cover, we would enter Superman.
We can't enter the Batman logo so, for those releases with nothing but that on the front cover, we enter Batman.
We can enter 'T2', so that is what we should enter. I disagree. The rules specifically ask for the title of the DVD, and to take that title from the front cover. They don't ask us to recreate logos, even if those logos are made up of text. That to me is making a distinction. If I'm asked to enter the title, I'll enter the title not a text-based logo representing that title. |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting GSyren:
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Just because something consists of letters and/or numbers doesn't mean that it can't be a logo. There are plenty of examples of that.
Also, if you do a little search you'll find plenty of web sites that refer to "The T2 logo".
In my opinion, the "T2" is clearly a logo.
I don't see how it matters whether it is a logo or not as the rules don't make that distinction. If we can enter it, using a standard key board, then that is what we enter.
We can't enter the Superman Shield so, if there is a release with nothing but that on the front cover, we would enter Superman.
We can't enter the Batman logo so, for those releases with nothing but that on the front cover, we enter Batman.
We can enter 'T2', so that is what we should enter.
I disagree. The rules specifically ask for the title of the DVD, and to take that title from the front cover. They don't ask us to recreate logos, even if those logos are made up of text. That to me is making a distinction. If I'm asked to enter the title, I'll enter the title not a text-based logo representing that title. The rules specifically ask us to take the title from the front cover followed by some conditions and whatifs. When the title is a (partial) textual logo, so it be... | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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