Extra are actor by the rules. Even more when they are credited and if they aren't it's easy to enter them when you recognize them as we have always did...

For the stuntman I enter them when I see them on the screen and they aren't only stunt double (the credit doesn't always do the distinction). If the extras are credited you don't even need to see them, it isn't different than entering a bunch of guys listed as Featured Zombies or Dancers or School Students or whatever role in the credits.

You sure try to do a big deal with something that isn't with your big vacations comeback...

BTW you are like me and don't contribute anymore so why do you care? Do as you wish in your personal database as I do.

Quoting Winston Smith:

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So then anything that somebody believes is an actor qualifies since there is no standard and no one can vote No legitimately. Wow, typical idiocy when listening to certain parties around here.

It's nice to see you are a changed man since your suspension. 

Oops, "self-imposed hiatus" I mean.   

Quoting hal9g:

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Since the OP is specifically about "Extras", it seems pointless to allow ourselves to be diverted into a discussion about "stuntmen/stunt doubles".  If someone would like to discuss "Stuntmen/stunt doubles", I suggest that they start a new thread and leave this thread to a discussion of "extras".

Green. Well said. That is doing nothing more than diverting the topic and muddying the waters for no reason. 

In a review of the Rule, I see nothing that defines what is or is not an actor, only the use of the word. Therefore there is NO standard for such data and any given user is completely free to apply his/her own definition of exactly what an actor is and no other user has the freedom to say him no...plain and simple, to do so would be outside of the Rules and the Rules do say to vote consistently with the Rules, since there is no definition for the term ACTOR, hence no standard a No vote would be tantamount to telling another user that YOUR definition is correct and his is not...out of bounds.

Since no one wishes to guess as to the reasons that Stuntmen were expressly NOT included in the Rules was two fold. Large amounts of very poorly defined data and Stunts are not really a Role, just Voice Actors is not a Role )it is generic and Extras are likewise not a Role but are simply Generic, no definition.
And they are also typically large volumes of ill-defined data. But, that said, Stuntmen are certainly more Cast than some other set of "Actors" elsewhere in Credits, especially when they are specifically listed under CREW. We seem to love chaos and not order.

@No Name I choose not Contribute, do not construe that to mean I don't wish to. But the current rancor and poisonous atmosphere in the Forums simply means it isn't worth my time and energy. I only have so much energy and it is much better served elsewhere, instead of watching and trying to deal with people who seem only to look for ways to subvert the Rules to their particular wishes and others whose sole existence seems to revolve around finding a mole hill and turning it into a mountain, when a review of the rules would absolutely answer their questions and some of these people are allegedly veteran users.<shrugs>

I guess my next step is to remove all of the uncredited cast in Around the World in 80 Days. I no longer consider extras or cameos actors in this Invelos Bizarro World.

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However, what the actual end credits say (when translated from Swedish by Google) is “thanks to all the extras” followed by the list of names.  So are these cast credits or not?  Discuss?

Thanks.  Paul

If the film-makers deem them worthy of a credit and they appear on screen, I see no reason not to allow them as cast credits. I don't know if I'd add them myself, but now they're there you might as well leave them.

If we take a broad definition of what a movie extra really is...

"Movies and television shows very often use people like props to create a background which seems like a real environment. The people who are needed to participate in such roles are known as background actors, background performers or most commonly movie extras. Movie extras are used in an attempt to make scenes in films and TV show appear fuller, richer and natural."

I am not so sure that this is the proper thing to track as cast.  I personally have never been a big fan of listing "Uncredited", when they are nothing more than a face in a crowd.  A person that happened to be there when a group of people were chosen to participate in shooting, to add dimension to a scene.

To me, "Uncredited" should be used for listings like:

Catherine Bell in "Evan Almighty"
Bruce Willis and Arnold Schwarzenegger in "The Expendables"

I don't think that I would include movie extras, for the same reason we do not include "ADR voices"

My personal opinion

Charlie

Wanted to add all uncredited cast from a  previously approved Miracle on 34th street (1947) for the new 2 disc set (#024543-381723) from the old b/w disc from previously approved contribution (upc#024543013631) .. was voted 2 for and 2 against.. It was not approved ..
Fair enough .. Now I'm going to try and keep the data base inline and not all over the place and have the uncredited removed.. and I'm sure I'll get no votes  and it will be disallowed and not approved either ..

So what is the story again with cut and paste for uncredited extras???  I mean we are trying to keep ALL this data correct are we not??  You have each movie running exactly 96 min 28 seconds /same movie -no extras- no directors cut- or special edition  just a reissued set with commentary tracks...
I mean I remember 'certain people' here that would say "Why are you removing approved data? " compared to "Why are trying to submit without documentation"?  -  where I did document by saying in my notes:
"cast as approved from same title in data base upc#024543013631 / cast uncredited and documented from approved 024543013631, Grandfathered- approved contributions are applicable thru rules.. " ..