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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
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I like to contribute film data.
58, 472 individual pieces of film data for this year (2015) alone....according to IMDb's end of year email letter to top contributors. Everything from single corrections to entire new film title full credits (even the guy who delivered the pizza).

Wow! 
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... electing a group of members who could solve problems, with one proviso. That group should be democratically elected.

That was, what I intended.

But most of the folks working on this topics around here did not respond at all. Maybe, because many of them are not native speaking English, maybe because they are fed up discussing... Who knows.
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To my way of thinking, the site owner (Ken) should have zero say on how the users use the online. The rules should be democratically determined (via vote) by the users themselves...the people that use, contribute to, and pay for the program.

As far as I know, this is the way Ken sees this topic too.

But it is easy - if argueing is the goal - call for someone who is far away and not responding; this stategy is the best for blocking anything not welcome. Establishing a democratically elected panel would mean, that the jurisdictation is reachable anytime, which is not welcome for everybody...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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I have been with this site/program since 1997 (when it used to be InterVocative Software)...And while Ken has usually listened and considered suggestions even went with them when it didn't go against his future plans and such. It has always been his word is final. He didn't always agree with suggestions... and would go his own way when he wants (see his harder then asked for rules on Complete TV Series sets).

When it comes to the online database... it has always and will always be his property that he allows us to use. And when it comes to contributing to it you are always welcome as long as you follow the rules he creates (or ones others creates that he approves). There is nothing we can do about that fact. We don't even own the software we are using. We just own the license we paid for to use his software/database.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
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Ken is neither saying anything to any of the contribution questions of the near past, nor is he saying anything in this thread, nor has he answered a private message with specific questions - nor even set the message as read - for ten days.

Either he is dead, injured, very ill or siply not interested in the contribution topics at all.
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Looking at Ken's user profile he was last here on the forums yesterday afternoon.
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He simply doesn't care for the users. A shame, as the users make the product what it is by adding the data, yet he lacks the common decency and respect for those people by simply ignoring discussion or not taking part in things that would add even more value and end users to his product. I feel sorry for those who spend a lot of time making the program what it is and wish to make things even better, only to be tossed to the side.
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He simply doesn't care for the users. A shame, as the users make the product what it is by adding the data, yet he lacks the common decency and respect for those people by simply ignoring discussion or not taking part in things that would add even more value and end users to his product. I feel sorry for those who spend a lot of time making the program what it is and wish to make things even better, only to be tossed to the side.

The ignorance is the real problem.

I remember, he stated not to wish to be involved too much. But ignoring private messages and threads like this, leaves the field to the destructive part of the users.

All the others are forced to wait for a better software option off Invelos and this mess around here.
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He simply doesn't care for the users. A shame, as the users make the product what it is by adding the data, yet he lacks the common decency and respect for those people by simply ignoring discussion or not taking part in things that would add even more value and end users to his product. I feel sorry for those who spend a lot of time making the program what it is and wish to make things even better, only to be tossed to the side.


you have 3 groups of people here.
Group 1 that want to fix what is wrong with the contribution rules and CLT.
Group 2 that does not care
Group 3 that believes there is nothing wrong, no need to change anything. These are the worst, because no matter how relevant a suggested change is, they want nothing to do with it. The program is good the way it is, no need for change. They've been wading through crap for so long they have forgot what fresh air is. You've seen it in this thread. And they will bring that stench to any change discussion.
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You are forgetting group 4... ones that are open to change (as long as done the right way... following the guidelines Ken put forth in the rules committee forum) but just does not agree with the suggested way.

I personally am always open to changing things... think there is several rules that need to be updated or changed completely... but I do not agree with any of the suggested changes just like I don't agree with the one suggested in this thread.
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You are forgetting group 4... ones that are open to change (as long as done the right way... following the guidelines Ken put forth in the rules committee forum) but just does not agree with the suggested way.

I personally am always open to changing things... think there is several rules that need to be updated or changed completely... but I do not agree with any of the suggested changes just like I don't agree with the one suggested in this thread.


see that is your problem - That is group 1, But you need to add a special group for yourself. You are more of a group 3 but you just don't realize it.
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you have 3 groups of people here.
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Group 3 that believes there is nothing wrong, no need to change anything.


I have been here a long time and I can't remember a single person who stated they felt this way.

There have been plenty of debates about how to go about implementing change but that is a natural part of the process.

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you have 3 groups of people here.
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Group 3 that believes there is nothing wrong, no need to change anything. These are the worst, because no matter how relevant a suggested change is, they want nothing to do with it. The program is good the way it is, no need for change. They've been wading through crap for so long they have forgot what fresh air is. You've seen it in this thread. And they will bring that stench to any change discussion.


I find this statement distasteful and insulting to the community. In my opinion it should be red flagged and removed by the forum moderators.
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you have 3 groups of people here.
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Group 3 that believes there is nothing wrong, no need to change anything.


I have been here a long time and I can't remember a single person who stated they felt this way.

There have been plenty of debates about how to go about implementing change but that is a natural part of the process.

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you have 3 groups of people here.
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Group 3 that believes there is nothing wrong, no need to change anything. These are the worst, because no matter how relevant a suggested change is, they want nothing to do with it. The program is good the way it is, no need for change. They've been wading through crap for so long they have forgot what fresh air is. You've seen it in this thread. And they will bring that stench to any change discussion.


I find this statement distasteful and insulting to the community. In my opinion it should be red flagged and removed by the forum moderators.


Seriously. The name calling and insults from you and others toward Skip in my opinion were more offensive.
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You are forgetting group 4... ones that are open to change (as long as done the right way... following the guidelines Ken put forth in the rules committee forum) but just does not agree with the suggested way.

I personally am always open to changing things... think there is several rules that need to be updated or changed completely... but I do not agree with any of the suggested changes just like I don't agree with the one suggested in this thread.


see that is your problem - That is group 1, But you need to add a special group for yourself. You are more of a group 3 but you just don't realize it.


I am definitely not group three... I have been supporting Hal's suggestion since the CLT first appeared... and have always said I want to see something different. As well as many other rules. Just because I don't agree with many of  the ideas that has come up as of yet does not mean I think there is no change needed.... it just means I don't like the choices that people have come up with.
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you have 3 groups of people here.
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Group 3 that believes there is nothing wrong, no need to change anything.


I have been here a long time and I can't remember a single person who stated they felt this way.

There have been plenty of debates about how to go about implementing change but that is a natural part of the process.

Quoting ateo357:
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you have 3 groups of people here.
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Group 3 that believes there is nothing wrong, no need to change anything. These are the worst, because no matter how relevant a suggested change is, they want nothing to do with it. The program is good the way it is, no need for change. They've been wading through crap for so long they have forgot what fresh air is. You've seen it in this thread. And they will bring that stench to any change discussion.


I find this statement distasteful and insulting to the community. In my opinion it should be red flagged and removed by the forum moderators.


Seriously. The name calling and insults from you and others toward Skip in my opinion were more offensive.


Even if that is the case... it doesn't mean people don't find what you said offensive. I found you to be pretty insulting as well. But it is what it is.
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It's a giant task, an neverending story I fear. But I am all for it that the specialists - people who work the most on it - get as much support as possible. I am all for the most exact information.
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you have 3 groups of people here.
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Group 3 that believes there is nothing wrong, no need to change anything. These are the worst, because no matter how relevant a suggested change is, they want nothing to do with it. The program is good the way it is, no need for change. They've been wading through crap for so long they have forgot what fresh air is. You've seen it in this thread. And they will bring that stench to any change discussion.


I find this statement distasteful and insulting to the community.

I don't think the reality can be insulting. I'd even expanded the group 3 into two parts: the one described above, and the one including persons who are against anything without thinking about it - only to provocate...

These folks ruin the forum and later on the product.

Past in 2008 Skip was one of theese guys, who prevented me and some others I knew then from visiting the forums at all. Last year I found out, he disappeared, and I tried to come back...

This thread was some kind of test if there constituted some kind of community or if the folks around here have only found a way to cope with the lack of it. The second seems to be true: some are working on the db and others quarrel about each and every aspect - but most people around here do either the one or the other...
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In my opinion it should be red flagged and removed by the forum moderators.

Here we come to the core of the problem: nobody cares and nobody is responsible for anything (no insult against ateo but an accusation against Invelos and the folks aound here preventing ideas like the one layed in this thread).
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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... and have always said I want to see something different.

There are words and acts. You say you want to see something different, but, you always criticize new options and never propose anything new.
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