I would call the NR version the highest rated cut, therefore the title would be NR. this has never been a big deal.

Would it be possible, if a DVD has both a Rated and Unrated version, for the program to be tweaked to include both? I am thinking of the ability to tick 2 boxes instead of just one. The ratings details would then be used for the Rated version.

Quoting Kathy:

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Would it be possible, if a DVD has both a Rated and Unrated version, for the program to be tweaked to include both? I am thinking of the ability to tick 2 boxes instead of just one. The ratings details would then be used for the Rated version.

I had suggested something similar before but never got a response, lol. I think how Ken proposed it would work and wouldn't take much updating to do so. The reason for the rule change in the first place was for those who use the parental controls and using NR did not filter out the proper movies.



Again, I don't know why this is so complicated. No having to run down A situation, B situation, C situation but that if there is an version of the film not rated by the MPAA and a version rated by the MPAA, it would get the proposed "Unrated" tag. That's it.

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My main concern with changing this is that the program treats NR as lower than G, not higher than NC-17 (to use US as an example).  Additionally, changing this would result with the merging of films which were never given a rating (TV shows, etc) with what usually amounts to a slightly modified version of previously rated films.

Perhaps we need another rating "Unrated", which would be used for these?  It could be set to an age of 17.  Thoughts?

In the future; How about putting in the theatrical rating,with a checkbox next to it saying this an unrated version.  Then we would at least get the rating restriction f the Theatrical release.

For now, it would  probably be easier to put in a new option in the drop down...


Charlie

I did a search on unrated vs. not rated editions of DVDs. Here are the possible categories into which these could fall:

a. Not rated versions of rated content that do not contain material that would have caused them to get a higher rating.
b. Unrated versions of rated content that do not contain material that would have caused them to get a higher rating.
c. Not rated versions of rated content that do contain material that would have caused them to get a higher rating.
d. Unrated versions of rated content that do contain material that would have caused them to get a higher rating.
e. Not rated material which has no rated version
f. Unrated material which has no rated version

I order for proposal A, detailed earlier, to work, situations a. and d. would have to be far, far more common than b. and c. Ideally, would f. generally have harder content than e. as well.

Caligula. Situation d.
Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle. Seems to be d., but questionable. Harder content, btu not sure enough to push it into R. territory.
Elektra. Seems to fall outside my scenarios. Harder content. Package doesn't say anything about not rated or unrated.
Hancock. Situation d.
Leon: The Professional. Situation a.
Lethal Weapon. Situation a.

I was unable to find any solid counter-examples, though I didn't look very hard. Ken's proposal seems acceptable, though I do think this only half address the problem as any rating system that doesn't distinguish between The Evil Dead and 1-2-3 Penguins is deficient.

Also: you still have inconsistency problems. The NR version of Dark City has basically the same content as the R version, but would be entered at the lowest rating. This isn't a new problem, though as the same issue exists in the current rules. Here's how I would like things to work. It makes things more complicated, but gives us better data as well.

MPAA or TV rating: enter what's on the case.
NR. This would give you a box to enter an age. If you enter nothing, it's the same as NR now, meaning lowest rating.

If there is a suggested age, enter that.
If the movie is unrated or has a parental advisory content label, list it as 18.
If the previous rule doesn't apply and a rated version exists, enter the age equivalent of its MPAA-rated version. (Dark City would be entered as 17, 1941 would be 10 or whatever PG is considered right now, etc.)
Otherwise, leave it blank.
If multiple versions are present, use the highest rating. We could make it R/NR as R or 17. Either works.

This wouldn't be perfect, but would be a massive improvement and wouldn't require 3rd party references beyond the MPAA website, which is pretty straightforward. I could devise a better system, but it would be a lot more complicated.

Stop chasing your tail, Ace

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Again, round and round we go. Two versions: an unrated or not rated version and the rated version = Unrated. What's this with ages and such? Ken said this would be for the US locality only right now so there's no age 17, 18 or w/e.

I realize this. I'm proposing the option to enter straight ages be added.

Here's the essential problem with your position: I presume you are not proposing that we add a new "unrated" rating and only use it on releases with two different cuts. That would be silly and the new rating wouldn't provide useful data. This leaves us in a quandary as to what to do when you buy a DVD and it doesn't list an MPAA rating. How do you know whether to enter unrated or not rated? There are a few possible standards.

* Enter unrated if it says unrated, otherwise NR. This seems to be what Ken proposed. It's easy to understand and it would be an improvement over what we have now, but still have numerous problems.
* Determine whether there is another, rated, version and enter not rated if there isn't and unrated if there is. You would have to establish that the rated version exists. This is easy enough if it's also on the disc or if it says so in the overview, but otherwise you have to go to external sources. This can be done, but it isn't a simple matter of changing a word or two in the rules. It could become especially tricky if the theatrical version was not released on DVD. There are a significant number of such cases. This would also lead to the result where the case says "not rated" and you ave the option to enter "not rated," but you are supposed to enter "unrated." Basically, anything along these lines will require complicated, potentially confusing, rules.

Oh, and I did find an unrated movie that has no content that would have affected the rating: Blade Trinity. I still think Ken's proposal is better than nothing, though.