So all the actors in silent films were merely extras...?




*Goes to remove all cast from silent films and submit to online*

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So then anything that somebody believes is an actor qualifies since there is no standard and no one can vote No legitimately. Wow, typical idiocy when listening to certain parties around here.

So much for not taking it out on us. 

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However, Martian once again you have not answered a direct question put to you. And as I said the answer is related to the issue at hand very directly. So why don't we include stunt people do you suppose, I do know why.Let's hear your supposition and stop dodging direct questions thrown at you.

First, last I checked, there is no requirement for me to answer any question...unless you are paying for my time or you are my wife.  Second, as your question had nothing to do with the subject of this thread, I chose to ignore it rather than send this thread off track.

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Quoting TheMadMartian:

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First, last I checked, there is no requirement for me to answer any question...unless you are paying for my time or you are my wife.

   

That made me laugh out loud for real.

Me too

Quoting widescreenforever:

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Wanted to add all uncredited cast from a  previously approved Miracle on 34th street (1947) for the new 2 disc set (#024543-381723) from the old b/w disc from previously approved contribution (upc#024543013631) ..

In my opinion...

Since we know many profiles had uncredited cast added before proper documentation was required, and since we know proper identification is now required in order to add uncredited cast, I believe it's quite unreasonable to simply copy uncredited cast from an existing profile unless that profile contains adequate documentation for such cast, and I believe that's made clear during the contribution process.

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I think you are creating your own definitions here. Extras are actors without speaking roles. They can also be members of the Screen Actors Guild. Here's a snippet from their membership eligibility requirements:

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Background Actors may join SAG upon proof of employment as a SAG–covered background player at full SAG rates and conditions for a MINIMUM of three work days subsequent to March 25, 1990. Employment must be by a company signed to a SAG Agreement under which the Producer is required to cover background actors. Proof of employment must be in the form of original paystubs or a payroll printout faxed from the payroll house. Such documents must provide the same information (name, Social Security number, etc.) as listed above.

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A background actor or extra is a performer in a film, television show, stage, musical, opera or ballet production, who appears in a nonspeaking, nonsinging or nondancing capacity, usually in the background (for example, in an audience or busy street scene). War films and epic films  often employ background actors in large numbers: some films have featured hundreds or even thousands of paid background actors. Likewise, grand opera can involve many background actors appearing in spectacular productions.

On a film or TV set, background actors are usually referred to as "background performers", "background artists" or simply "background" while the term "extra" is rarely. In a stage production, background actors are commonly referred to as "supernumeraries". In opera and ballet, they are called either 'extras' or 'supers'.

Even though they are represented by the SAG, they use to be represented by SEG (Screen extras guild) that was disbanded.  Just because they are represented by SAG, does not make them primary actors, which are covered under a different section of the contract.

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A background actor or extra is a performer in a film, television show, stage, musical, opera or ballet production, who appears in a nonspeaking, nonsinging or nondancing capacity, usually in the background (for example, in an audience or busy street scene). War films and epic films  often employ background actors in large numbers: some films have featured hundreds or even thousands of paid background actors. Likewise, grand opera can involve many background actors appearing in spectacular productions.

On a film or TV set, background actors are usually referred to as "background performers", "background artists" or simply "background" while the term "extra" is rarely. In a stage production, background actors are commonly referred to as "supernumeraries". In opera and ballet, they are called either 'extras' or 'supers'.

To be clear, your quote is from Wikipedia; correct? It's not an extension of my quote from SAG.

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Even though they are represented by the SAG, they use to be represented by SEG (Screen extras guild) that was disbanded.  Just because they are represented by SAG, does not make them primary actors, which are covered under a different section of the contract.

They are not primary actors, but they are actors nonetheless. You said they don't become actors until they say a word, and that's just not true.


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I bring these up, to provide context.

My questions would be

If we are going to credit "Extras" because they were "Hired" to fill in the "Human Spots" within a scene, why should we not credit ADR voices?  They are just as important and unidentifiable as the "Extras" are, they are listed separate from the rest of the cast(or voice talent) and are also performers.

What is going to be the criteria for adding a paid "Performer" to the cast list?

And why not stunt people, they perform in front of the camera, but again are not readily identifiable? 

Charlie

All good questions but none of them have any bearing on contributing actors, background or primary, in DVD Profiler, credited or not. Extras or background actors are absolutely eligible for contribution if credited and they can be contributed with documentation if they are uncredited.

Meh, the online will be whatever it will be.  Personally, I dump any massive section of the credits listed as extras, same way I dump actors I've never heard of nor can verify who are uncredited and listed as "bit part".

I'm curious if this is going to open the door to "thank you" type credits where town or events are listed.  Are we going to see the entire superbowl crowd listed as an extra for "Black Sunday"?  I would like to think not, but I've seen dumber things submitted.

James:

It was YOU that said you can determine a Cast member despite the FACT that said Cast might be listed under the Crew heading instead of the Cast heading. The filmmakers put them in the CREW for a reason, but YOU can tell they are really a part of the Cast. Well, you are WRONG, sir. There are two specific sections to every film credit and most of the time they are actually labeled Cast and Crew and you don't know more than the filmmakers, the Extras, additional voices, etc, only provide background can you ACTUALLY point to any of them in a given film. Of course, not, because they don't have an assigned role, you have no idea what part was played. I keep forgetting how brilliant you are, James keep on adding junk into the data and pretty soon we won't be able to tell what is what, but I repeat that YOU, James have set a very low bar  and now literally anyone within the Crew could be called an actor,,,by somebody.