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| Registered: March 10, 2007 |  Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's how I would propose the rule:
Use "Unrated" for any disc that includes an unrated version of a film which did receive a theatrical rating. Use the rating from the cover for all other rated films/content. Use "NR" for other films/content which have no rating.
Feel free to chew it up and spit it out. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think the last part could be a little confusing to some... especially if English is not their native language. How about changing it from...
Use "Unrated" for any disc that includes an unrated version of a film which did receive a theatrical rating. Use the rating from the cover for all other rated films/content. Use "NR" for other films/content which have no rating.
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Use "Unrated" for any disc that includes an unrated version of a film which did receive a theatrical rating. Use the rating from the cover for all other rated films/content. Use "NR" for other films/content which never been rated.
Though this may cause problems for TV Series which have had a TV Rating on original airing... but use not rated for the DVD release. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Here's how I would propose the rule:
Use "Unrated" for any disc that includes an unrated version of a film which did receive a theatrical rating. Use the rating from the cover for all other rated films/content. Use "NR" for other films/content which have no rating.
Feel free to chew it up and spit it out. As written: this would require submitters to demonstrate that an MPAA-rated version also exists and it isn't on this release. The first point is generally easy enough. You can just refer to the MPAA website, though you don't seem to be able to directly link to ratings there. The second point is easy if it says unrated or not rated on the case, but leaves you in a pickle if it doesn't say anything. (The Criterion Collection frequently doesn't list ratings and I think Anchor Bay sometimes doesn't.) This does complicate the rule by meaning you have to go to external sources. I don't have a problem with this per se, I'm just pointing it out. I propose that if we're going to allow the MPAA website as a source, we also allow ratings to be listed that were left off the case ala Time Bandits. And again, I can see a lot of people getting confused when their DVD says "not rated" and they have the option to enter "not rated," but they are supposed to enter "unrated." |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Here's how I would propose the rule:
Use "Unrated" for any disc that includes an unrated version of a film which did receive a theatrical rating. Use the rating from the cover for all other rated films/content. Use "NR" for other films/content which have no rating.
Feel free to chew it up and spit it out. Looks good to me.  Edit: As to Ace's concerns about the Not Rated parts, it would still apply in that if it's for a film that has a theatrical rating (like Almost Famous: Untitled). I do know there are a couple distributors who do use "Not Rated" on the back cover, mainly direct-to-video ones though it makes it easier as the front cover typically does say "Unrated" anyway. | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | We're not looking to add to contributor effort - there's no need to quote the MPAA website for a rating for the vast majority of submissions. If it's any sort of remotely recent, remotely mainstream theatrical release, it had a theatrical rating.
"Use "NR" for other films/content which never been rated." I'll assume you meant to say "which have never been rated". That would change the meaning of the rule and is not what I intended.
As to the concern that "Unrated" or "Not rated" has to be on the cover - it doesn't. The rule I proposed says nothing about that being a requirement. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see an issue, Ken, it looks pretty close to what the Rule used to say. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | How about...
"Use "Unrated" for any release that includes an unrated version. Use "NR" for other films/content which have no rating." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Though this may cause problems for TV Series which have had a TV Rating on original airing... but use not rated for the DVD release. A lot of TV shows do get altered for DVD release whether to fix credit errors (Firefly), do extended versions (Friends), screw-up and remove a section (Angel: Season 2), replace music (American Dreams) or remove bleeping (The Osbournes). The last category should maybe be listed as unrated, but not the others. However, it's a lot harder to establish two versions existed in the first place in TV land. For instance Penn & Teller's cowpie says uncensored on the packaging for some seasons, but there never was a censored version. Just don't create a TV: Unrated category and specify not to use it for TV. It will be missed in some case, but this rating would be much harder to administer properly on TV. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
How about...
"Use "Unrated" for any release that includes an unrated version. Use "NR" for other films/content which have no rating." That's simpler but does not cover all the bases. For instance, Directors Cut versions labeled "Not Rated". Also, normal rated versions need to be covered in this rule. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Just don't create a TV: Unrated category and specify not to use it for TV. It will be missed in some case, but this rating would be much harder to administer properly on TV. This is covered in the proposed rule - they would not have received a theatrical rating, and so would be entered as NR. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
We're not looking to add to contributor effort - there's no need to quote the MPAA website for a rating for the vast majority of submissions. If it's any sort of remotely recent, remotely mainstream theatrical release, it had a theatrical rating. Well, yes, but lots of movies aren't very mainstream. For instance, it isn't immediately obvious from the cover which unrated Troma schlock was direct-to-video and which had enough of a release to bother with a rating. A lot of foreign films would require a check to see if they ever got a U.S. rating as well. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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How about...
"Use "Unrated" for any release that includes an unrated version. Use "NR" for other films/content which have no rating."
That's simpler but does not cover all the bases. For instance, Directors Cut versions labeled "Not Rated". Would it work if we just changed it to "unrated/not rated version?" As I don't know what confusion led to the rule change, I am kinda shooting in the dark here. From my experience, simpler is better...as long as it gets the point across...so that is what I am shooting for. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | FYI, I'm still mulling this, so no changes will be made in tonight's release. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Would it work if we just changed it to "unrated/not rated version?" As I don't know what confusion led to the rule change, I am kinda shooting in the dark here. From my experience, simpler is better...as long as it gets the point across...so that is what I am shooting for. See my modified note - we also need to include how to handle normal rated content. If it's not included in the same statement with a clear order of precedent, we get what we had with the original rule - two rules which directly conflict. If we state it as "unrated/not rated version", then what would get a NR rating? | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Also, I'd point out this does lead to some absurd or unclear results for some movies. For instance, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker was originally ruled by Warner brass to be too violent and disturbing for kids, so the ordered it altered. Some dialogue was re-recorded, blood was erased and violence was cut down. This was released direct to video. After fan outcry about censorship, the original version was released, but in order to give parents fair warning, Warner submitted it to the MPAA who rated it PG-13. It was then also released direct-to-video. The proposed rule would lead either to the censored version having a higher rating that the uncensored one or a big argument over what constitutes a theatrical rating. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
See my modified note - we also need to include how to handle normal rated content. If it's not included in the same statement with a clear order of precedent, we get what we had with the original rule - two rules which directly conflict.
If we state it as "unrated/not rated version", then what would get a NR rating? Ah, lightbulb moment...it really helps when you have all the facts.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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