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I also agree with a number of users that believe that both Not Rated and Unrated are higher than R, and have been doing so for MANY years

So you believe that any movie made under code, before 1968 - Swing Time, Arsenic and Old Lace, The Pride of the Yankees - has a higher rating and should be more restricted than a modern R rated horror film?  That IMAX documentaries like Dolphins or Destiny In Space are higher rated than an R rated film? 

That really doesn't make any sense to me at all.

All of these share the same problem - they do not have ANY rating at all.  I will agree that NR and Unrated do mean the same thing - the lack of a rating.  What having NR and Unrated as two separate options will do for us is that it will enable us to separate our films that lack ratings into two categories based on content.

Now, I'm perfectly willing to agree to any rule for contribution purposes, as far as what appears on the package.

But like mdnitoil & Alien Redrum & m.cellophane - just give me the rating!  I know how to use it locally!

Cass:

I believe that the higher rating is far more informative than the lower rating. If you NEED the rating, how embarassed would you be if you plugged in a film that should have been rated a HARD R but simply had a Not Rated and you were playing it because your child wanted to see it and you just went merrily along, after all it's Not rated and Profiler says Not rated is the lowest rating juast because of all those old TV show, wait a minute what is that guy doing to that girl if this the lowest rating...and your child is watching.  I submit that is far more important a piece of information than all of those old TV shows that carry the same ratiing, but are really G or PG.

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I believe that the higher rating is far more informative than the lower rating.

Didn't you just spend the last 60 or so pages complaining about people trying to force their views on the DB? I believe that both are important and would rather not have Africa Screams left out which I'm filtering for movies appropriate for a kid.

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I am sorry, Martian. But you just aren't wrong. The Rule does NOT indicate that NR is the lowest rating. There are a number of users, not just myself, who have always believed the NR=Unrated and they are both the hifghest level rating, aside from Adult or NC-17.

I am laughing trying to figure out where in that rule you get lowest rating from.  That's inventive I will say that, but it ain't there pal, no matter how you parse, you can't create something that flat out isn't there.

Clearly you didn't bother to read what I wrote.  You made a claim, and just did so again, that you have always believed that NR was higher than R.  You made a similar claim, in this thread, but also stated "that the rule has been to use the highest rating for years now."  I quoted the old rule simply to show that the rule never said anything about using the highest rating.

The point of my post was that, despite what you believed, the program has always treated NR as the lowest rating.  I did not want people to think that had changed when, in reality, all that was changed is the wording of the rule.

I think you just illustrated the issue Ken had to deal with...the one that led to the rule change.  Some of you assumed that NR was the highest rating, some of us knew it was the lowest, so we were interpreting the rule differently and contributing the data in different ways.

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Good god, I don't care what you people come up with, just give me the rating.  I sure as hell know what to do with it locally even if the community is befuddled.

Hear, hear.

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Speaking for myself and from what I have gleaned from those of like mind. I am still trying to figure out how a non-issue suddenly gets elevated to major issue, to the point that we have at least three separate threads on it in a matter of days. It's just WEIRD.

Exactly... From where this big deal came from
Never read anything about that on the forum untill last week and I'm here since more than 3 years and one more on the InterVocative forum...

Tell me if I'm wrong but usually those big change are a result of a post on the features request sub-forum, no? Not an unilateral decision on the contribution sub-forum without a real possibility of discussing it.

You are right on all accounts, this issue was never brought up in any thread here, at least not that I know of.
All of a sudden those 3 threads appear and turn everything upside down.

Donnie

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Cass:

I believe that the higher rating is far more informative than the lower rating. If you NEED the rating, how embarassed would you be if you plugged in a film that should have been rated a HARD R but simply had a Not Rated and you were playing it because your child wanted to see it and you just went merrily along, after all it's Not rated and Profiler says Not rated is the lowest rating juast because of all those old TV show, wait a minute what is that guy doing to that girl if this the lowest rating...and your child is watching.  I submit that is far more important a piece of information than all of those old TV shows that carry the same ratiing, but are really G or PG.

Personally, I want two ratings so that I can seperate the titles.  Now I use Profiler for any number of things, one of them is to provide a list of movies for my kid so he can tell if he's allowed to watch it or not.  Currently, anything unrated/not rated is allowed on his list.  Obviously not desirable.  Neither is it desirable to remove all of the pre '68 material by flopping things the other way.  I'd also add that it's precisely the unrated material that I'm trying to list for him as he's perfectly capable of distinguishing between actual letter ratings.  Give me two ratings, tell me which one does what, and I'll take it from there.  The rest of you can argue about this until the cows come home.  Easily one of the stupider arguments we've had around here in a while.  The cover says NR or Unrated, what do I do?  Geez.  It would be funny if it were on SNL, but here it's reality.

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The cover says NR or Unrated, what do I do?

Punt?

As I see it, a non-rated release, means that it can cover the complete ratings range if the material was pre-1968 and who knows what after 1968.  These days a director's cut of an R-rated movie can end up having more sex, violence, whatever.  It will be unrated.

If you are a parent, I suspect that you will have to go through the NR/unrated material in your collection and see what it really is and manually change the rating and then lock that profile's rating.  If your child isn't to see it, then give it an R.  If the child can see it, give it a G.

To me, there is never going to be a NR/unrated category that is one-stop-shopping.  It can't be pigeon-holed.  It is neither at the bottom of the ratings list, nor is it at the top.  It can be anywhere, at anytime.