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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 315 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
I am not a technical geek, so I don't know if TV's themselves do any "upscaling" of their own. If so, you would certainly see signifcantly diffferent results from one TV to another. Yes they do. And in those models you should test to see which upscaler gives the best results, the one from the player or the one from the TV. Having both of them active is usually not a good bet as the results will generally be worse. | | | With every passing hour our solar system comes forty-three thousand miles closer to globular cluster M13 in the constellation Hercules, and still there are some misfits who continue to insist that there is no such thing as progress. |
| Registered: June 27, 2007 | Posts: 2,049 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: This is important because if they buy 1080p, they will find that SD DVDs do not look that great on a 1080p TV without up-converting.
I have to disagree on this point. My SD DVDs looked pretty darned good on my HD TV.
I think this is probably highly dependent upon equipment. Id your "full HD TV" 720p, 1080i or 1080p?
On my Sharp Aquos LCD TV, SD DVDs look quite bad with a significant amount of graininess. If I play the same DVD on my Sony Wega Plasma TV, they look OK; not great but OK.
I am not a technical geek, so I don't know if TV's themselves do any "upscaling" of their own. If so, you would certainly see signifcantly diffferent results from one TV to another. TV's don't usually upscale. And a "Full HD" TV does, by definition, have to be a 1080p TV. Otherwise it wouldn't be Full HD. if were 720p it would HD Ready. (WXGA Resolution). As far as I know, there are no 1080i TV's out there. | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| Registered: June 27, 2007 | Posts: 2,049 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Skywatcher: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
I am not a technical geek, so I don't know if TV's themselves do any "upscaling" of their own. If so, you would certainly see signifcantly diffferent results from one TV to another.
Yes they do. And in those models you should test to see which upscaler gives the best results, the one from the player or the one from the TV. Having both of them active is usually not a good bet as the results will generally be worse. You really have a TV that upscales? I never knew they could do that. I heard that only DVD or Blu Ray Players or even Receivers can upscale. | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Stephan.klose: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: This is important because if they buy 1080p, they will find that SD DVDs do not look that great on a 1080p TV without up-converting.
I have to disagree on this point. My SD DVDs looked pretty darned good on my HD TV.
I think this is probably highly dependent upon equipment. Id your "full HD TV" 720p, 1080i or 1080p?
On my Sharp Aquos LCD TV, SD DVDs look quite bad with a significant amount of graininess. If I play the same DVD on my Sony Wega Plasma TV, they look OK; not great but OK.
I am not a technical geek, so I don't know if TV's themselves do any "upscaling" of their own. If so, you would certainly see signifcantly diffferent results from one TV to another.
TV's don't usually upscale. And a "Full HD" TV does, by definition, have to be a 1080p TV. Otherwise it wouldn't be Full HD. if were 720p it would HD Ready. (WXGA Resolution). As far as I know, there are no 1080i TV's out there. My parents have a 1080i TV, it does not do 720p or 1080p. | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... | | | Last edited: by NewEnglander |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 66 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting NewEnglander: Quote: Quoting Stephan.klose:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: This is important because if they buy 1080p, they will find that SD DVDs do not look that great on a 1080p TV without up-converting.
I have to disagree on this point. My SD DVDs looked pretty darned good on my HD TV.
I think this is probably highly dependent upon equipment. Id your "full HD TV" 720p, 1080i or 1080p?
On my Sharp Aquos LCD TV, SD DVDs look quite bad with a significant amount of graininess. If I play the same DVD on my Sony Wega Plasma TV, they look OK; not great but OK.
I am not a technical geek, so I don't know if TV's themselves do any "upscaling" of their own. If so, you would certainly see signifcantly diffferent results from one TV to another.
TV's don't usually upscale. And a "Full HD" TV does, by definition, have to be a 1080p TV. Otherwise it wouldn't be Full HD. if were 720p it would HD Ready. (WXGA Resolution). As far as I know, there are no 1080i TV's out there.
My parents have a 1080i TV, it does not do 720p or 1080p. I too used to have a 1080i - one of the first Pioneer Elite CRT 60inch ones. I think a lot of the first generation high end devices were 1080i... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Blu-ray sales in the UK up 500%Quote: The British Video Association has revealed sales of Blu-ray discs are up 506% year to date in the United Kingdom, compared to the same period last year. This amounts to nearly one million units. Overall, Blu-ray represents 1.2% of the total market, which is, in total, up 3.3%, an increase led by the success of Blu-ray. | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles |
| Registered: June 27, 2007 | Posts: 2,049 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: Blu-ray sales in the UK up 500%
Quote: The British Video Association has revealed sales of Blu-ray discs are up 506% year to date in the United Kingdom, compared to the same period last year. This amounts to nearly one million units. Overall, Blu-ray represents 1.2% of the total market, which is, in total, up 3.3%, an increase led by the success of Blu-ray. I really wonder what the percentage the laserdisc sales had in the day. I remember being in Las Vegas about 10 years ago and a lot of stores were carrying them. About the same amount that carry Blu Ray's now. Does anyone have any data about that? 1,2% of the market. That's even less than I expected and I was pretty pessimistic | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| Registered: June 27, 2007 | Posts: 2,049 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting catheadman: Quote: Quoting NewEnglander:
Quote: Quoting Stephan.klose:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: This is important because if they buy 1080p, they will find that SD DVDs do not look that great on a 1080p TV without up-converting.
I have to disagree on this point. My SD DVDs looked pretty darned good on my HD TV.
I think this is probably highly dependent upon equipment. Id your "full HD TV" 720p, 1080i or 1080p?
On my Sharp Aquos LCD TV, SD DVDs look quite bad with a significant amount of graininess. If I play the same DVD on my Sony Wega Plasma TV, they look OK; not great but OK.
I am not a technical geek, so I don't know if TV's themselves do any "upscaling" of their own. If so, you would certainly see signifcantly diffferent results from one TV to another.
TV's don't usually upscale. And a "Full HD" TV does, by definition, have to be a 1080p TV. Otherwise it wouldn't be Full HD. if were 720p it would HD Ready. (WXGA Resolution). As far as I know, there are no 1080i TV's out there.
My parents have a 1080i TV, it does not do 720p or 1080p.
I too used to have a 1080i - one of the first Pioneer Elite CRT 60inch ones. I think a lot of the first generation high end devices were 1080i... I didn't really care that much about LCD TV's until a few month ago. I guess nowadays there really are no more 1080i units for sale. At least they aren't in our store. And we have about 100 models or so.. They are either 1080p or, like most 720p.. | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| Registered: June 27, 2007 | Posts: 2,049 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: Blu-ray sales in the UK up 500%
Quote: The British Video Association has revealed sales of Blu-ray discs are up 506% year to date in the United Kingdom, compared to the same period last year. This amounts to nearly one million units. Overall, Blu-ray represents 1.2% of the total market, which is, in total, up 3.3%, an increase led by the success of Blu-ray. That actually proves my point. I just wanted to say that clear again. Blu Ray is indeed the Laserdisc of the 21st century. | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Stephan.klose: Quote:
That actually proves my point. I just wanted to say that clear again. Blu Ray is indeed the Laserdisc of the 21st century. This can only truly be evaluated in historical context....which at this time does not exist. Ask again in 5 years. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Posts: 700 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Stephan.klose: Quote: Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote: Blu-ray sales in the UK up 500%
Quote: The British Video Association has revealed sales of Blu-ray discs are up 506% year to date in the United Kingdom, compared to the same period last year. This amounts to nearly one million units. Overall, Blu-ray represents 1.2% of the total market, which is, in total, up 3.3%, an increase led by the success of Blu-ray.
I really wonder what the percentage the laserdisc sales had in the day. I remember being in Las Vegas about 10 years ago and a lot of stores were carrying them. About the same amount that carry Blu Ray's now. Does anyone have any data about that?
1,2% of the market. That's even less than I expected and I was pretty pessimistic The numbers for LD or discoVision as it was called back then in 1978 would have been disasterous as it stumbeled already from the start and was to be closed down if it hasent been for Pioneer, that bought the whole package back in 1982... rumors have it that some titles had a failure of 90% in functionality... It was this big number of mailfunctioning discs that killed this format from beeing the format it should be. And one more thing LD had a HD format in the pocket --> with 1125 TV lines <-- and if I remember right it was some ten titles or something that came out in Japan in the 1990's | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Stephan.klose: Quote: Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote: Blu-ray sales in the UK up 500%
Quote: The British Video Association has revealed sales of Blu-ray discs are up 506% year to date in the United Kingdom, compared to the same period last year. This amounts to nearly one million units. Overall, Blu-ray represents 1.2% of the total market, which is, in total, up 3.3%, an increase led by the success of Blu-ray.
That actually proves my point. I just wanted to say that clear again. Blu Ray is indeed the Laserdisc of the 21st century. Well, that settles it, then! I mean you don't even have Laserdisc sales numbers for the first 2 years to compare the BD 1.2% total UK video market sales to. So, what are you comparing the BD numbers to? Why do I get the feeling you convinced yourself in spite of the information in this thread? Laserdisc's total percentage after 20 yearsQuote: It was estimated that in 1998, laserdisc players were in approximately 2% of US households (roughly two million).[4] By comparison, in 1999, players were in 10% of Japanese households.[5] Laserdisc has been completely replaced by DVD in the North American retail marketplace, as neither players nor software are now produced there. Laserdisc has retained some popularity among American collectors and, to a greater degree, in Japan, where the format was better supported and more prevalent during its life. In Europe, laserdisc has always remained an obscure format. That's around 20 years to get to 2% in the US. From the quoted section above, one can conclude that Laserdisc's percentage was even less in Europe. Blu-ray is already past that in the U.S. and Japan at this point...no less 18 years from now. I'd say it's probably safe to say there has never been anywhere near a 500% growth in Laserdisc sales in the UK during a one year period (maybe in a half decade though). ![](/images/emoticons/laugh.gif) | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles | | | Last edited: by Ascended_Saiyan |
| Registered: June 27, 2007 | Posts: 2,049 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting oleops: Quote: Quoting Stephan.klose:
Quote: Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote: Blu-ray sales in the UK up 500%
Quote: The British Video Association has revealed sales of Blu-ray discs are up 506% year to date in the United Kingdom, compared to the same period last year. This amounts to nearly one million units. Overall, Blu-ray represents 1.2% of the total market, which is, in total, up 3.3%, an increase led by the success of Blu-ray.
I really wonder what the percentage the laserdisc sales had in the day. I remember being in Las Vegas about 10 years ago and a lot of stores were carrying them. About the same amount that carry Blu Ray's now. Does anyone have any data about that?
1,2% of the market. That's even less than I expected and I was pretty pessimistic The numbers for LD or discoVision as it was called back then in 1978 would have been disasterous as it stumbeled already from the start and was to be closed down if it hasent been for Pioneer, that bought the whole package back in 1982... rumors have it that some titles had a failure of 90% in functionality... It was this big number of mailfunctioning discs that killed this format from beeing the format it should be. And one more thing LD had a HD format in the pocket --> with 1125 TV lines <-- and if I remember right it was some ten titles or something that came out in Japan in the 1990's Well I bought my first laserdisc player in '93 and 3 others a few year later. I never had any problems. I loved the format. | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| Registered: June 27, 2007 | Posts: 2,049 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: Quoting Stephan.klose:
Quote: Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote: Blu-ray sales in the UK up 500%
Quote: The British Video Association has revealed sales of Blu-ray discs are up 506% year to date in the United Kingdom, compared to the same period last year. This amounts to nearly one million units. Overall, Blu-ray represents 1.2% of the total market, which is, in total, up 3.3%, an increase led by the success of Blu-ray.
That actually proves my point. I just wanted to say that clear again. Blu Ray is indeed the Laserdisc of the 21st century. Well, that settles it, then!
I mean you don't even have Laserdisc sales numbers for the first 2 years to compare the BD 1.2% total UK video market sales to. So, what are you comparing the BD numbers to?
Why do I get the feeling you convinced yourself in spite of the information in this thread?
Laserdisc's total percentage after 20 years
Quote: It was estimated that in 1998, laserdisc players were in approximately 2% of US households (roughly two million).[4] By comparison, in 1999, players were in 10% of Japanese households.[5] Laserdisc has been completely replaced by DVD in the North American retail marketplace, as neither players nor software are now produced there. Laserdisc has retained some popularity among American collectors and, to a greater degree, in Japan, where the format was better supported and more prevalent during its life. In Europe, laserdisc has always remained an obscure format.
That's around 20 years to get to 2% in the US. From the quoted section above, one can conclude that Laserdisc's percentage was even less in Europe.
Blu-ray is already past that in the U.S. and Japan at this point...no less 18 years from now.
I'd say it's probably safe to say there has never been anywhere near a 500% growth in Laserdisc sales in the UK during a one year period (maybe in a half decade though). ![](/images/emoticons/laugh.gif) Well maybe Blu Ray can actually establish itself and live side by side with DVD. (For a while at least) | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
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