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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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Questions like these come from a variety of sources - PMs, the Contact Us, Support Tickets, email, and the forums.  It also bubbled up from the contribution evaluators.  They pointed out that the rule did not cover this case and wanted a clarification.

Regardless, as I've said I'm happy to shelve this if that's the consensus here.  All we'll need is wording for the rating rule.
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If shelved, would you still consider Unrated, if only for local use?

Because, man, otherwise that's just teasing.
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That's not a bad idea.  We could autoconvert it to NR during contribution.
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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However, we would still need to address the current rule. I don't think that leaving the rule how it now stands is what people are after.

Ken using the personalize area like I've suggested can work for what you want to do. Of course it isn't an immediate solution and it needs a version update, but without changing anything in the rating system that gives an option to control the parental control system.

This is a pic that I've made for a feature request poll about this, but since I don't need to do it anymore.
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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That's not a bad idea.  We could autoconvert it to NR during contribution.


That would work for me.
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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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If shelved, would you still consider Unrated, if only for local use?

Because, man, otherwise that's just teasing.


While better then nothing at all... I would still prefer it to be contributable... I just do not like a local only solution. I hate the idea of everyone doing all the work themselves. 
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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If shelved, would you still consider Unrated, if only for local use?

Because, man, otherwise that's just teasing.


While better then nothing at all... I would still prefer it to be contributable... I just do not like a local only solution. I hate the idea of everyone doing all the work themselves. 


I want it contributable as well.
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The problem is that not everyone want to have this force fed to them. It's normal that the people who want this change had to do the work and not the ones who don't want it...
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My vote is for number 2 of the given options, because I think it will capture more content correctly than the other option.

i.e -> A film that was originally rated PG-13 and is released in a not rated/unrated cut is still closer to an R than it is to a G.  So even if the extra content would not take it to an R, it would still share more in common with the Unrated (higher rating) group than the NR (lowest rating) group.  And it has the benefit of ruffling the least feathers of my fellow Profilers.

But, honestly, I can live with either one.  Since NR is the lowest rating and would be understood to be the lowest rating, then using R for a NR/R release would also work as far as I'm concerned if we go back to "use the highest rating."
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Quoting AESP_pres:
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The problem is that not everyone want to have this force fed to them. It's normal that the people who want this change had to do the work and not the ones who don't want it...


We are not asking you to do the work... if you don't want it just don't accept the work we do. I don't see a problem with that.
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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With something so clearly divisive, why not table this rather trivial matter until another time?

I'd be happy to table this if that's the consensus. However, we would still need to address the current rule. I don't think that leaving the rule how it now stands is what people are after.

Best idea I have heard yet.
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It was a commonly asked question - which rating to use for titles with both an NR and a rated version.  This, as well as a somewhat common complaint that there is no built-in way to filter these unrated titles  when letting kids pick out a movie.  You set the rating filter to "less than R" and you end up with a bunch of titles included that are not appropriate (like 'Hangover: Unrated').

Commonly asked question, where, Ken. I have never seen it here before. And I think it's safe to say that had it been a big issue here I would know about it. So now major changes to the Program that affect everybody can be made simply on the basis of a Support Ticket or a PM. UmmKen, I really hate to say this but when the screeners are permitted by whatever means to ignore the Rules anyway, then we essentially don't have Rules anyway, and this happens all too often
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Quoting AESP_pres:
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However, we would still need to address the current rule. I don't think that leaving the rule how it now stands is what people are after.

Ken using the personalize area like I've suggested can work for what you want to do. Of course it isn't an immediate solution and it needs a version update, but without changing anything in the rating system that gives an option to control the parental control system.

This is a pic that I've made for a feature request poll about this, but since I don't need to do it anymore.

ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here

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Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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If shelved, would you still consider Unrated, if only for local use?

Because, man, otherwise that's just teasing.


While better then nothing at all... I would still prefer it to be contributable... I just do not like a local only solution. I hate the idea of everyone doing all the work themselves. 


I want it contributable as well.

Ace:

Don't take this personally. I am not interested in Rating by Ace or anyone else being forced upon me. I do MY own ratings, outside of the MPAA and they are mine, i would not think of imposing my standards on yo or someone else, don't even dream that you can ort should impose yours on me, that is simply and completely UNACCEPTABLE. Parental controls are unique to each person not common to the Community.
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personally I am not so much talking about the parental thing.,.. as far as I am concerned that can be local. but having Unrated is more then that to me personally. First of all it allows when I filter on ratings to have the stuff like Whatever Movie: Unrated sort where they should and not with the kiddie shows and the majority of TV Series... as they simply don't belong there. Unrated filtered as highest solves that problem. Not to mention when I see unrated on the cover I like to see that in profiler too... and not substituted with NR. To me there is a difference between the two.... so I would like that difference shown.
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I don't quite understand the whole 'kiddie movie' argument against this. Do people not check the DVD case when pulling it for their kids, or do you trust DVD Profiler so much that if it's NR it must be safe.

Can someone explain that?

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The problem is that not everyone want to have this force fed to them. It's normal that the people who want this change had to do the work and not the ones who don't want it...


We are not asking you to do the work... if you don't want it just don't accept the work we do. I don't see a problem with that.




There are certainly things that are submitted that I don't like, I just don't accept them. I understand why they are submittable, and I have no problem clicking no to them.

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Don't take this personally. I am not interested in Rating by Ace or anyone else being forced upon me. I do MY own ratings, outside of the MPAA and they are mine, i would not think of imposing my standards on yo or someone else, don't even dream that you can ort should impose yours on me, that is simply and completely UNACCEPTABLE. Parental controls are unique to each person not common to the Community. 


You are very passionate about fighting this, but by your own words, you do your own ratings, outside MPAA. So, in essence, the way the system is currently, are standards being forced upon you anyway? That doesn't even make sense to what you are arguing against. Unless you want ratings to go away altogether. 

The "Unrated" and "Not Rated" ratings are not Ace's standards. They aren't my standards. They aren't your standards. They are the industry's standards.
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