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(...) If we can enter it, using a standard key board, then that is what we enter (...)

Yes that's how the rules are written and in my opinion rightly so.

Sorry, the rules do not mention anything about a standard keyboard. The rules say: "Use the title from the front cover."

But if the title is not shown on the front cover, we have to get it from a different location. And a logo/symbol is not a title.

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Really?  My keyboard does not have the ability to enter the Superman shield...an 'S' inside a diamond shape...so I don't see how it can be entered into the title field.

Do you know the movie Elf? Where Will Ferell is a stand-in for the L? People don't enter it as E <Will Ferrell> F or even E F. But with a shield surrounding an S it's suddenly un-enterable?

Excellent point. Should Elf be change to E F to abide strictly by the rules?

Actually, Ken covered that situation in this post.  Since Will Ferrel is intended to represent a character, in this case an 'L', that is what we would enter.

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(...) There is nothing, in the rules, that says a title can't also be a logo.

This has not to be in the rules. A logo is not a title by definition the same way a cat is not a dog.

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(...) ™ stands for trademark and that's certainly a symbol (...)

The thing which is resembling T2 is a symbol as well. It stands for Terminator 2.

Even letters are symbols  I just pointed out that ™ is a symbol in terms of Unicode.

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You know, as well as I do that the rules are not specific in this area...at least I hope you do.  The rules tell us where to get the title, but they do not tell us what form the title should take nor do they tell us, except for a few instances, what text on the cover actually is the title...there is no way they could cover every instance, so it is as it should be.

That being the case, just like I know 'Nicole Kidman' & 'Hugh Jackman' aren't part of the title of 'Australia', I know that 'MIB' isn't part of the title for 'Men in Black'.  If it were just 'MIB' on the cover, then that is what I would use, but it isn't, so I don't.  Again, I don't know how I can make it any clearer than that.

Exactly! And the same way I know that the T2 logo isn't part of the title. That leaves us with the same case as 'Batman' and 'Superman' with front covers without titles but logo only. We have to get the titles from a different location in those cases.

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I realize I'm in a minority (me and Surfeur against the world?), but to me a logo is not the same as a title. And that goes for T4XI, Se7en, Thir13en Ghosts and whatever, as well as T2. (...)

You and Surfeur are not alone. And I'm not sure about minority and majority in this case.

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Little offtopic: The film credit title is also Se7en, so you just want to ignore the filmmaker's choice and the actual data? I don't know how the film credit titles are in your other examples. But even then there's an original title field for the film credit title.

I would look for some normal text, preferably a text written by the film makers, how the title is written. The credit block is a good candidate to decide the thing on the cover is a logo or a strangely spelled title. And for Seven you may actually be correct that the title is spelled 'Se7en' in normal text form by the film makers. But already 'Taxi 4' is different.

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If the logo is the only thing that is on the front cover, as is the case with 'T2', that is what I will use as the title.  If the logo and the title are on the front cover, as is the case with 'Men in Black', that is what I will use as the title.

I can understand that, but I also see your reasoning as to why I still think my point is valid.

Although I have my opinion on which is and which is not correct, I'm not trying to judge which method should be used. However, if you are able to make a choice based on information or reasoning that is not currently in the rules then obviously the rules need to be updated.

Until then, though, a universal choice needs to be made and that can't be done by saying "I choose to do it this way under these circumstances but this other way under different circumstances." That's implying your own set of rules that will vary from one person to the next on which is correct. Either both 'T2' and "MIB Men in Black" should be typed in because it's what the is on the cover as the title, or "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" and "Men in Black" should be typed in because they are the actual title.