Quoting Alien Redrum:

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The "Unrated" and "Not Rated" ratings are not Ace's standards. They aren't my standards. They aren't your standards. They are the industry's standards.

Yes. This wasn't even my idea. I just begrudgingly accepted it as better than the status quo. Ideally, I'd like the ability to just enter an age on NR stuff.

Quoting Alien Redrum:

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I don't quite understand the whole 'kiddie movie' argument against this. Do people not check the DVD case when pulling it for their kids, or do you trust DVD Profiler so much that if it's NR it must be safe.

Can someone explain that?

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Quoting AESP_pres:

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The problem is that not everyone want to have this force fed to them. It's normal that the people who want this change had to do the work and not the ones who don't want it...

We are not asking you to do the work... if you don't want it just don't accept the work we do. I don't see a problem with that.

There are certainly things that are submitted that I don't like, I just don't accept them. I understand why they are submittable, and I have no problem clicking no to them.

Quoting Skip:

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Don't take this personally. I am not interested in Rating by Ace or anyone else being forced upon me. I do MY own ratings, outside of the MPAA and they are mine, i would not think of imposing my standards on yo or someone else, don't even dream that you can ort should impose yours on me, that is simply and completely UNACCEPTABLE. Parental controls are unique to each person not common to the Community. 

You are very passionate about fighting this, but by your own words, you do your own ratings, outside MPAA. So, in essence, the way the system is currently, are standards being forced upon you anyway? That doesn't even make sense to what you are arguing against. Unless you want ratings to go away altogether. 

The "Unrated" and "Not Rated" ratings are not Ace's standards. They aren't my standards. They aren't your standards. They are the industry's standards.

Yes they are industry "standards" , actually not standards but imndustry terms, and we are trying to turn these into terms which relative to the products involved become a complete work of fiction. As has been demonstrated, Alien, Unrated and Not Rated are interchangeable, there may be a logic to the usage based on distributors, I haven't done that sort of analysis, but they are interchangeable, and Ken is now wanting to say that Not Rated is not NR, because NR is applied to something else, but NOT RATED is Unrated. I am trying to figure out what the basis for this even is. I, as a parent and grandparent don't need to see a Rating to know that Dora is a kid friendly show, similarly I know that Pitch Black is NOT, without even looking. As I outlined if this is really about sorting and filtering and reports, this can be done quite easily i think using a Combination of the appropriate Genres which we already have in the system, coupled with whatever the ACTUAL rating is

But the Age for NR stuff Ace, is your opinion, I agree that you should, but it should also NOT be a Contributable, because I don't care if you think it's suitable for Age 8, for example, I might not think it is suitable for Age 12 and someone else will think something else, it is a TOTALLY subjective , there is no objectivity to it and as such it should NEVER be Contributable by ANYONE, that is for your collection and your collection ALONE.

Quoting AESP_pres:

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Ace this exactly what my solution is about. It gives to anyone the possibility to set the age the NR rated movies are for. I just try to work a middle point between the "want this" and "don't want this" sides, it's certainly better than argumenting for 30 pages without listening each others (the sides in general, not me and you).

What would this do for filtering by rating? Anything? Because personally that is more important to me then the parental control issues.

Pete:

I presume that Ken could make that filterable and sortable. It's not really a whole lot different from the Tags which are filterable and sortable.

BTW Alien you commented about me setting my own standards, indeed I do, the MPAA makes an excellent GUIDE, it doesn't mean that I will agree with them in every instance. If I think based on their guidance that a movie might be questionable relative to my family, I will view the movie and make my OWN decision. It is not for the MPAA to tell me what my children can and cannot watch, I don't believe in the nanny state. I also pay very little attention to reviewers, I have learned over the years that most of the time, I think the reviewer's are out to lunch on any given review, so whole I will read it, I will also come to my own conclusion. I am also all to aware that society is notoriously unstable in their attitudes, I am not, Indiana Jones and the Temple Doom today is PG and yet 25 years ago it was the very first PG-13. I thought 25 years ago that it was inappropriate for children under 8, and today i still think the same thing.

but it still makes it local only... making every user to have to go through all their profiles instead of working together to get the movies that should filter higher to filter right. That alone makes me not want to support such a solution.

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Or to make the ratings I see on the case match the rating on the profile. Which is also important to me. One of the reason why I been wanting it for so many years.

Just a parental control? No... because that is something I don't  use or care about.

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I am not trying to argue with you or anyone else. I am giving my opinion on the ideas no more and no less.

Even when my daughter was younger I never used parental controls in profiler. She just didn't get to watch things until I watched them first and I made up my own mind if it was something I felt she should watch or not.

If it sounds like arguing I am sorry... It is probably because I am a bit aggravated over this. Since it was basically me being told I was getting something I been wanting for years out of this program...., and then before the day is even over it gets yanked right back away from me. So yes I am a bit aggravated... but that has nothing to do with the idea that I just don't agree with the other options.

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Yes it does Pete, but since we are not dealing with MPAA ratings on this, why would you care what someone else thinks a movie is suitable for your kids or not, it's Parental Control, no one else is going to set Parental controls in my family except my wife and myself. That simple, so I am all for AESP's idea, but I am not for it being Ciontributable in ANY way. Never, not at all. Keep your parental controls where they belong with YUR family and that is true for everyone of us. I don' care what Ken thinks is or is not appropriate for his children and i presume what I think is appropriate for my family is of no interest to him, beyond perhaps curiosity and that curiosity he should be able to soothe by viewing my collection, if I upload it, because there he should be abl;e to see a clone of MY data, that would include my Parental Controls if I use them.

Skip... , did you even read my post? Here... I will make it big and bold so maybe you will see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PARENTAL CONTROLS... I DO NOT... AND NEVER HAVE USED PARENTAL CONTROLS!

Mine is all to do with filtering and matching the rating on the case because to me there is a difference between NR and Unrated.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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I am not trying to argue with you or anyone else. I am giving my opinion on the ideas no more and no less.

If it sounds like arguing I am sorry... It is probably because I am a bit aggravated over this.

Good since the idea of argumenting with you was not a pleasant one for me

I understand that you aren't happy (it would be the same if something I want was given to me and taken away 12 hours later). Just change the term "parental control" by the "NR self-assign rating" and it does what you wanted. Not 100% perfectly the same, but a little bit...