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One final thought.

It seems as though neither side of this discussion will be able to convince the other that their side has merit.

If this is indeed a stalemate, then the amount of time and effort spent rehashing the same thoughts using different examples seems pointless.

As such, I will bow out of further discussions on this topic. I think my time and effort is better spent updating less contentious contributions.

^This.

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"Wherever practical, I think a filter would be able to cut out some of the confusion.  For instance, we already have "•" becomes "-".

I'd love to be able to formulate a simple policy about when to use a character for symbol and when to leave it out.  The key is whether a character is intended, and whether a suitable character exists.  To me, I would say that the dots shown in FRIENDS are for display only and not intended as a character, whereas the "•" in WALL•E is clearly intended as a character, which by filter becomes WALL-E.

The botom line is that our title rule is not intended to make the title look exactly like the title on the cover (we have cover scans for that), but to portray the title shown in standard characters."

Thanks!

By reading that, then, going strictly by the rules (that are in a hidden forum), it should be along the lines of E-F.

(I realize the insanity of this, but for the sake of argument if you go strictly by (hidden) rules, that's what it should be.)

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The botom line is that our title rule is not intended to make the title look exactly like the title on the cover (we have cover scans for that), but to portray the title shown in standard characters."

I don't want to put words into Ken's mouth, but that suggests to me that he also would prefer us to record the title of the DVD, not the logo.
And I'm sorry but I don't need a rule to tell me a title and a logo are different things. For our purposes a title is the name of the DVD, and a logo is a visual representation of that name. Even though in the majority of cases they may end up looking the same, doesn't mean they are the same thing.

It's funny how two people can read the same thing and come to different conclusions.  Clearly, it suggests just the opposite to me.  Now what?  We are no closer to a concensus now, than we were the last time this came up. 

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As with many other debatable issues on this forum.... why not just put it to a vote?

A consensuses (of say, 60%/40% at least) is better than a forever-lasting disagreement.

This is what we do at the contribution votings, so I could imagine some releases of Terminator 2 with just "T2" will be the one way ond some the other way in database. Based on the opinion, preference and understanding of the rules of the users currently own this profile.

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I realize I'm in a minority (me and Surfeur against the world?), but to me a logo is not the same as a title. And that goes for T4XI, Se7en, Thir13en Ghosts and whatever, as well as T2.

But it seems clear that we can never get an agreement one way or the other, so I guess there's nothing for me to do but lock those titles and carry on...

In my opinion, we do have an agreement.  Per the rules we take the title from the front cover.  Per Ken and Gerri, if it can be entered using a standard keyboard, it is entered as is.  If not, we enter what it represents.  It's not perfect, but it is simple, straightforward and easy for everyone to understand.

Well, what I meant was that well never agree on what's actually a title in general. We may agree on what the rules say as far as DVD Profiler is concerned, but that's another matter. And that's why I'm locking my titles.

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Little offtopic: The film credit title is also Se7en, so you just want to ignore the filmmaker's choice and the actual data? I don't know how the film credit titles are in your other examples. But even then there's an original title field for the film credit title.

I would look for some normal text, preferably a text written by the film makers, how the title is written. The credit block is a good candidate to decide the thing on the cover is a logo or a strangely spelled title. And for Seven you may actually be correct that the title is spelled 'Se7en' in normal text form by the film makers. But already 'Taxi 4' is different.

I think that these example are different from the logo 'titles'. Again I only have Se7en in my collection, but if it's something like this in the other example:
On the front cover: T4xi -> Title field
In the film credit and/or the original release title: Taxi 4 -> Original Title field

On topic: How can I know that T2 is a logo? It is typed in a normal font and no graphic figures surrounding it nor graphic figures within the two letters. The so called S of Superman is no doubt a logo. I think T2 isn't a logo but an abbreviation (like someone had pointed out earlier by the link to the T2 wikipedia page).

Although it's not specifically written in the rules I can live with the idea that logos aren't titles. The next question is what's a logo and what isn't?
What makes you so sure that T2 is a logo?

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Corne,

The fact that it is an abbreviation doesn't mean that it can't also be a logo.
You wouldn't claim that this abbreviation is not also a logo, would you:


I googled "t2 logo" terminator and got 1760 hits. So obviously the idea that T2 is a logo is rather widespread.


And I wouldn't say that the T2 logo has a "normal" font. It has a font that is especially designed for the film. Look at any Terminator 2 merchandising and if it has "T2" on it, it will be in that exact style.

Okay, so it's both a logo and an abbreviation...

Heh. 20 hours and three pages since I made my last post and we've still gotten nowhere. Doesn't surprise me, but my absence has made me come to my senses in terms of the futility of this endeavour, so I'm officially bowing out of this discussion.

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I would have prefered that the title come from the spine.  Not only does that usually have the proper title, it has the added benefit of being what I see when I look at the DVDs on my shelf.

Hmm. After having had a brief look at my collection, this is something I could get behind. This would not only resolve most logo/title concerns, but it would also work for those instances where the title has truly been changed for that particular DVD release.

I wonder if it'd be worth opening a discussion in the rules forum, or if that'd just be a combination of opening a can of worms and beating a dead horse. Opening a can of dead horse, as it were...