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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting pplchamp:
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Actually, Hal..
If you preview the parent profile, you would see the contents under the Box Set section of the preview.
Thus, I would vote to include the children with the parent since they are not automatically downloaded.
When you download it to your collection, they are gone!
Downloading has nothing to do with it.
The ability to preview the parent to find children is what I am talking about. The same deal with the movie sets. You preview and see the child, then you must find the child to download. That may be the way you do things, but don't presume it is the way everyone does. I siimply put in the UPC for the parent, download it, then put the discs in my DVD ROM and let the program tell me if there is a profile available. Once they are all downloaded you still have to "attach" the children. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting pplchamp:
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Actually, Hal..
If you preview the parent profile, you would see the contents under the Box Set section of the preview.
Thus, I would vote to include the children with the parent since they are not automatically downloaded.
When you download it to your collection, they are gone! They don't have to be. There is no reason at all that the requisite child profiles couldn't be grabbed and downloaded at the same time as the master profile. You could even have a pop-up dialogue box that asked if you wanted the sub-profiles or not. As long as the data is there to be retrieved, it can be processed. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting pplchamp:
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Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting pplchamp:
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Actually, Hal..
If you preview the parent profile, you would see the contents under the Box Set section of the preview.
Thus, I would vote to include the children with the parent since they are not automatically downloaded.
When you download it to your collection, they are gone!
Downloading has nothing to do with it.
The ability to preview the parent to find children is what I am talking about. The same deal with the movie sets. You preview and see the child, then you must find the child to download.
That may be the way you do things, but don't presume it is the way everyone does.
I siimply put in the UPC for the parent, download it, then put the discs in my DVD ROM and let the program tell me if there is a profile available. Once they are all downloaded you still have to "attach" the children. Well, I was only stating my opinion. I don't spend hours upon hours putting discs in the DVD drive | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | <shrugs> His point is as valid as yours, Hal. While I don't believe he was making any presumption, I also don't believe that you are saying this is the way I do it and it's THE way. But that is how it comes across. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
They don't have to be. There is no reason at all that the requisite child profiles couldn't be grabbed and downloaded at the same time as the master profile. You could even have a pop-up dialogue box that asked if you wanted the sub-profiles or not. As long as the data is there to be retrieved, it can be processed. We're taliking about the way it works today. You and Skip constantly want propose doing things according to some unimplemented future enhancement! Stick with what we have today! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm keeping my TV series 1554 children and I'm adopting more. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln | | | | Last edited: by Srehtims |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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General consensus seems to be allowing child profiles for TV box sets, one profile per disc, while still having cast and crew in the parent profile, separated with dividers.
Users who don't want the child profiles don't download them. Box sets have an intrinsic automatic lock after first download, so no problem there.
For those who don't want the cast/crew in the parent profile, they clear it and lock it.
Do I have the summary right? If so, what are the objections of the dissenters?
That would be eminently workable. The only other thing I would suggest (as I've said before) is that a boxset should be defined as a collection of movies OR TV episodes on multiple discs contained in an external slip case or container of some sort. Whether the discs are in keepers, or a digipack (or something else) doesn't make an iota of difference.
Here are some examples, all of which I would call a "boxset.":
John Wayne 20 Movie Pack: 20 early Wayne movies on 4 disc in a double wide 4 hole keep case.
Stargate Atlantis: Season 2: 20 episodes on 5 discs in a slip case with 3 thincase keepers.
John Wayne DVD Collection: 5 feature movies in a slip cover each in its own keeper.
Stargate SG-1: Season 5: 20 odd episodes on 5 discs in a slip case and 5 keepers.
Any megaset: One UPC'd giant case, divided internally by season in digipacks or keep cases
There are some other variations in packaging as I'm sure you're aware, but the point is they are ALL boxsets, sold that way by 99% of the retail outlets, and can all be profiled as you laid out above to accommodate everyone's personal preference. One subset of rules to cover the whole deal. So you are advocating for the Box set profile of a movie box set to have all of the information that is in the child profiles  Either that or you do not understand what is being proposed. In TV sets the box will have all the info in it including cast and cres. The children will have the same. In Movie box sets the box will NOT have all of the information that is in the child profiles. They are different, at least to everybody else who has voiced an opinion. You are of course to view them as the same but I really don't think you'll get too much support for adding all the movie info from children profiles into the master box sets. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
<shrugs>
His point is as valid as yours, Hal. While I don't believe he was making any presumption, I also don't believe that you are saying this is the way I do it and it's THE way. But that is how it comes across.
Skip I never even suggested a specific way to do it. I originally only said that neither the boxset contents nor the child profiles download to your local db. That is a simple statement of fact. Eric then gave his "procedure", which is fine. But taht is not the way everyone does it. That's all. If Ken wants to allow boxset contents, that's fine. I've said all along that as soon as either the Rules are amended to allow it or Ken makes a public statement defining it as the correct approach, then I will stop voting "no" for boxset contents in parent profiles of TV Sets. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
Well, I was only stating my opinion. I don't spend hours upon hours putting discs in the DVD drive Since I want to make sure that I record the absolute correct Disc ID number in the Disc Tab of the profile, I always put every ned DVD disc into my DVD ROM drive when I get it. While it's there, the program tells me whetehr there's a profile available or not. That's just me....but I doubt that I'm alone. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | dupe | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe that is all we need to proceed. Ken to decide whether or not the box set contents should be allowed in the master profile. The rest is resolved. The master get all the info and child profiles are allowed. I guess we could have a vote to see just how the comunity is split on this posting one now  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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They don't have to be. There is no reason at all that the requisite child profiles couldn't be grabbed and downloaded at the same time as the master profile. You could even have a pop-up dialogue box that asked if you wanted the sub-profiles or not. As long as the data is there to be retrieved, it can be processed.
We're taliking about the way it works today.
You and Skip constantly want propose doing things according to some unimplemented future enhancement!
Stick with what we have today! I don't know about you, but I got the distinct feeling that was why Ken asked what he did a couple pages back. He wants to fix things so they are workable as much as I do, or Skip does. Why don't you try getting with the program instead of finding some excuse to ding me and Skip for OUR ideas. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
I don't know about you, but I got the distinct feeling that was why Ken asked what he did a couple pages back. He wants to fix things so they are workable as much as I do, or Skip does. Why don't you try getting with the program instead of finding some excuse to ding me and Skip for OUR ideas. Your intrepretation, not mine. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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General consensus seems to be allowing child profiles for TV box sets, one profile per disc, while still having cast and crew in the parent profile, separated with dividers.
Users who don't want the child profiles don't download them. Box sets have an intrinsic automatic lock after first download, so no problem there.
For those who don't want the cast/crew in the parent profile, they clear it and lock it.
Do I have the summary right? If so, what are the objections of the dissenters?
That would be eminently workable. The only other thing I would suggest (as I've said before) is that a boxset should be defined as a collection of movies OR TV episodes on multiple discs contained in an external slip case or container of some sort. Whether the discs are in keepers, or a digipack (or something else) doesn't make an iota of difference.
Here are some examples, all of which I would call a "boxset.":
John Wayne 20 Movie Pack: 20 early Wayne movies on 4 disc in a double wide 4 hole keep case.
Stargate Atlantis: Season 2: 20 episodes on 5 discs in a slip case with 3 thincase keepers.
John Wayne DVD Collection: 5 feature movies in a slip cover each in its own keeper.
Stargate SG-1: Season 5: 20 odd episodes on 5 discs in a slip case and 5 keepers.
Any megaset: One UPC'd giant case, divided internally by season in digipacks or keep cases
There are some other variations in packaging as I'm sure you're aware, but the point is they are ALL boxsets, sold that way by 99% of the retail outlets, and can all be profiled as you laid out above to accommodate everyone's personal preference. One subset of rules to cover the whole deal.
So you are advocating for the Box set profile of a movie box set to have all of the information that is in the child profiles
Either that or you do not understand what is being proposed.
In TV sets the box will have all the info in it including cast and cres. The children will have the same.
In Movie box sets the box will NOT have all of the information that is in the child profiles.
They are different, at least to everybody else who has voiced an opinion. You are of course to view them as the same but I really don't think you'll get too much support for adding all the movie info from children profiles into the master box sets. That would bother me far less than you think. Obviously, a single movie on a disc would not be done exactly the same as 5 movies, nor is there a need to. But more and more of these sets are coming out with multiple movies spread across anything from one to a dozen discs. The "John Wayne 20 Movie Pack" I mentioned has 4 discs with 5 movies (averaged out) on each. You have to do each one just as if you were doing a disc of TV episodes because of the physical layout on the disc. The bottom line is, the differences are minor and few, while the similarities are major and many, and it only makes sense to combine things as much as possible under one set of rules. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting pplchamp:
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Well, I was only stating my opinion. I don't spend hours upon hours putting discs in the DVD drive
Since I want to make sure that I record the absolute correct Disc ID number in the Disc Tab of the profile, I always put every ned DVD disc into my DVD ROM drive when I get it. While it's there, the program tells me whetehr there's a profile available or not.
That's just me....but I doubt that I'm alone. Hey, I check 'em, too! I just grab 'em all at once, and then check at my leisure. I can always modify things if necessary at that point. But I grab the children first, THEN the master, and don't lose the box set contents at all. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
. The "John Wayne 20 Movie Pack" I mentioned has 4 discs with 5 movies (averaged out) on each. You have to do each one just as if you were doing a disc of TV episodes because of the physical layout on the disc.
Speaking for myself, this is not the way I would do the John Wayne set at all. The first movie on each side would be use the Disc ID as the UPC. Manual profiles would be created for each of the remainging movies on that side. Each movie would get it's own complete profile so that all information about htat movie could be catalogued. No way would I even contemplate doing that for a TV series! | | | | Hal |
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