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20,000 Leagues Under the Sea questions about Verne & Disney credits
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Does Jules Verne get credited for this film?

I looked in the credits of the film and the only time I saw his name was on the title "Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"


Also does Walt Disney get a producers credit?

The only time I saw his name was at the beginning "Walt Disney Presents" and at the end "A Walt Disney Production" - which could stand for the company and not the man.
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Based the Kenneth Brannagh version of William Shakespeare's "Hamlet", no on Jules Verne. There are users that here who simply can't cope with possessives. Thy make them go all apoplectic. No production credit for Walt Disney. Also the title per the front cover is simply 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, film title is no longer used.

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So no one both.

In the current profile Verne is credited with an Original Material By credit. So he gets removed, correct?


Just making sure.
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For Contribution yes. The last time i looked at this one was three years ago..

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Does Jules Verne get credited for this film?

I looked in the credits of the film and the only time I saw his name was on the title "Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"

The display of "Jules Verne's" would qualify as an OMB credit IMO, just as it would for William Shakespeare on Hamlet.
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If Jules Verne is NOT shown in the credits for "20,000 Leagues...," shame on Disney for not showing him.  Same comment for Brannagh's version of "Hamlet."

Unless they assume everybody knows Jules Verne wrote "20,000 Leagues..." and Shakespeare wrote "Hamlet."  Considering what people know or are taught today, I'm not sure that those are safe assumptions.
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If he was credited such as "Based on the book by Jules Verne I would do so. But all he is credited in is above the films title.

Much like say for example "Walt Disney's" (Title of film). Well we don't credit him as anything if he isn't listed in the crew credits, perhaps I'm overlooking something but a title of a film is very different than an credit.
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If Jules Verne is NOT shown in the credits for "20,000 Leagues...," shame on Disney for not showing him.  Same comment for Brannagh's version of "Hamlet."

Unless they assume everybody knows Jules Verne wrote "20,000 Leagues..." and Shakespeare wrote "Hamlet."  Considering what people know or are taught today, I'm not sure that those are safe assumptions.

In both cases, their names are shown as possesory credits before the title, but neither adds a specific "based on a book by" or "based on play by". But fortunately the OMB credit is not limited to specific credits in the rules. As such, I believe it's ok to use the possessory credit for the OMB.
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In my opinion, the title is not a credit. At least not for Profiler purposes. The title does not tell us how the person contributed to the film. "Walt Disney's Bambi", for example, doesn't mean that Bambi is based on anything that Walt Disney wrote. Therefore we cannot assume anything about a possessory title. We may all know that Jules Verne wrote Leagues, but unless he is specifically credited, we should - IMHO - not include him.
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Much as I hate to, I agree with GSyren.  If there isn't an actual credit, we should not enter them as it opens up a huge door.  As an example, are we now going to give John Carpenter and OMB credit for all the films he has his name attached to?
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I have to say that I also agree with GSyren and Unicus
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I have to say that I also agree with GSyren and Unicus

Reluctantly I agree, too.  My beef is with the producers (or credit writers, whoever does them) who don't give due credit to the person who actually created the material.
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I understand the logic of the objection, but the OMB credit is wide open in the credits table. There's nothing in the rules to prevent including Jules Verne as OMB based on the possessory credit he's been given.

This is like the distinction we have to make to know whether someone wrote a song lyric or a screenplay, and also whether they wrote music for a song or a score.

Thing's like John Carpenter could be handled through the voting process.

The current rules chart doesn't guard against all of the what-ifs, but this freedom is what allows us to capture all of the various OMB credits that we run into.

If you want a constent method for dealing with possessory credits then the chart has to be modified to exclude them.
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Note: even Open Crew would not solve this.

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Related question:

In a few Lubitsch movies the writer is credited as "by" only (not "written by"), followed by one or more OMBs. Credit this one as Writer, Screenwriter?
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