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LOST season 1-4 blu-ray cover issues
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTaro
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I've noticed a problem with the LOST season 1-4 US blu-ray covers, namely that the child profiles aren't handled in a consistent way.

The parent profiles are all handled correctly, namely a cover scan of the slip cover & case type set to HD Keep Case, slip cover.

The child profiles on the other hand are handled differently from season to season:
- season 1: scan of the cover (not slip case) with case type set to HD Keep case => one blu-ray banner on top generated by DVDP
- season 2: same as season 1
- season 3: scan of slip cover, with case type set to HD Keep case, slip cover => one blu-ray banner on top from the slip cover
- season 4: scan of slip cover, with case type set to HD Keep case => two blu-ray banners on top (one from the slip cover, one generated by DVDP)

I'd like to uniformize all child profiles so that they are treated in the same way and only have one blu-ray banner on top, seeing how all seasons so far came in the same packaging (HD Keep case that holds multiple discs, with slip cover over it)

Any suggestions as to what would be the best way to handle these, according to the rules? I'd be happy to put in the effort to uniformize but I don't know which is the better option. I think it boils down to:
- HD keep case, slip cover + scan of slip cover (like parent profile)
or
- HD keep case + scan of cover (different from parent profile)

Any feedback would be much appreciated.
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Not being a Lost fan, but definitely Lost.         I can only say this taro,consistency only applies  relative to the Rules. Eacg title and profile stands on its own merits. Many time long-running series have been handled inconsistently by the Diostributor, for example beginning with a Digipak release and then changing to a Keeper or a Tinpak. SAo juust be sure you are putting consisrtency in it's appropriate oplace and that has nothing to do with unifying data that should not be unfied.

That said  let's see if i can interpret what you are saying. First off like I said i suspect Lost uses a Slip CASE not a Slip Cover (aka O-Cover or D-Box). A slip cover has TWO openings top and bottom. right side left side, whatever TWO openings. A Slip Case has a single opening, there are one or two that had cover that closed over the opening...but that's a totally other story. The information that I have been able to obtain would indicate that the Parent is Slip Covered, but i have no idea what the Slip Cover is over, you indicate Keep case...Yes? If that is ciorrect then probably both Covers need correcting AND Cover data is incorrect which is why it is generationg a double banner. AS to scans it sounds like the distributor used to different methods, 1 or more Seasons had Keeps the same as the Slip and one or more have different Keeper covers. According to the Rules, I weopuldn't worry about consistency, I would more than likely simply apply one cover scan set to the children when they match the parent cover, and child images when they don't...very easy.

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Hmm, yeah, you're right about distributors not always being consistent.

For season 1, 2 and 4, it's a slip cover (opening on top & bottom)
For season 3, it's a slip case (one opening, one the side that opens with flap, held closed with velcro)

As you said, the slip cover / slip case indeed slides over the keep case. The keep case is a Vortex or Amaray multi-disc keep case, I suspect, a bit like these here:
http://www.vernonlibrarysupplies.com/blu-ray-disc-case-6-discs.html

I'm pretty sure the parent  profiles are correct: HD Keep Case with slip cover (or slip case for S3). As for the child profiles, I think there are two valid ways to submit: same as parent profile,  or set to Keep Case and scan the keep case cover.

In any case that would mean there's a problem with Season 4 which makes a combination of both but turns out as a misfit with double blu-ray banner 

I'll try adapting the profiles so we only have one banner, submit and adapt if there's negative user feedback.
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If I can help, let me know.

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Taro your right, a at least from what I have. Ignoring the color is off, much darker on all scans, based on my LD screen.
1,2,4 are slip covers
3 is a slip case.
The main profile of 4 was scanned differently than its children.
As the UPC doesn't show through the slot and by my copy there is no reason for it not to show through the slot if you have the keep case top and bottom lined up even with the slip cover top and bottom.

They should be consistent like 1,2,&3.

1 & 2 are not scans of the slip cover, as you can see the proof of purchase and no slot for the UPC.
The slip covers and slip case are of the shinny type and since I have not trred to scan them myself I don't know just how they would turn out with out special handling.

But your right the child profiles should be consistent with the parent profile, since are all in the same case.
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What fif on 4 was to copy the parent profile svan in hr child profiles, you pick up an extra Blu-ray banner that way. I just tried it. If you are going to enter them as a copy of the parent you have load up to "edit cover image" and trim the top Blu banner off.

I usually don't buy Blu-ray TV shows, but Amazon had one of their specials, all four as a set, of the day and every body was raving about the Bku-ray copies Lost, so I thought I'd try it.
I had never seen the show as it was aired, not bad. The extra features are pretty good also.
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Thanks everyone. I'll give it a try, submit and if necessary adjust according to what people vote (and mention in their votes)
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Quoting Taro:
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For season 1, 2 and 4, it's a slip cover (opening on top & bottom)
For season 3, it's a slip case (one opening, one the side that opens with flap, held closed with velcro)


Those maybe your defintions but don't forget that so far as DVDP is concerned (I'm pretty confident here) a Slip Cover is a slip of any opening (side, top/bottom whatever) around a single case; a Slip Case is a slip of any opening around multiple cases - though I accept this is almost always to the side - ie. a Slip Case is what used to be defined as a box set but the name was changed to avoid confusion with the box set Rules (because not all box sets (case type) were box sets (multiple films in a single release)... err, if you see what I mean)
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Hmmm, I waited a long time for someone to define what ken did in some understandable method. Thanks, Voltaire. I am not sure what i think about it, but at least now it makes sense and i have something with meat on it to chew on.

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Voltaire, you are 100% right and Woola & I were wrong. Indeed, with that definition, all LOST seasons are in a slip cover.

Might I add then that a good example of a slip case would be the blu-ray release of the Star Trek TOS movies?

I think I got the general picture now. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Thanks for the kind words to you both; glad to be able to help 
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Quoting Woola:
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Many time long-running series have been handled inconsistently by the Diostributor, for example beginning with a Digipak release and then changing to a Keeper or a Tinpak.

You can definitely say that for the Dutch dvd releases of Lost. The first box had each disc in a separate thinpak, and with each season the size decreases. Season 5 was just released with 3 thinpaks (2 + 2 + 1 disc). And yet they cost the same when they are released!

Skip, you appear to like Disney (who releases Lost): Talk to the man! 
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THX, Voltaire53 for reminding us.
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Taro,

The cover properties and scans of child profiles of these season sets should match their parent profile.  Please don't drop the slip cover scans for the child profiles.
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Quoting xradman:
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Taro,

The cover properties and scans of child profiles of these season sets should match their parent profile.  Please don't drop the slip cover scans for the child profiles.
Thanks for your comments. I'm a bit confused though. The following seasons have a similar HD Keep case and a slip cover:

LOST S1
LOST S2
LOST S3
LOST S4
Star Trek TOS S1
Star Trek TOS S2

All of these were in the database with the slip cover scan in the parent, and the regular cover scan in the child profiles, except for LOST S3&4.

So, should I now retract my submissions for S3&4 and submit slip cover scans for child profiles of LOST S1&2 and Star Trek TOS S1&2?

I actually tried submitting slip cover scans for those child profiles in the past, since I think just like you that this is the correct way to submit, but at that time, the vast majority of voters voted against.

Before taking further steps (and investing even more time in this), perhaps I can ask people on the forum how to deal with this and then submit according to what they're saying? Because frankly, I'm getting a bit tired of the inconsistent way people are voting on such submissions, even though all these sets have the exact same packaging (aside from Lost S3 that has an additional flap on the flip cover, but that's beside the point).

I'll start a poll thread about this to so how the majority thinks about this.
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