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How to use group headers? How would you want them used?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorreybr
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First, I know that it is perfectly allowed per the rules to use group headers for for all kind of groups. I make this poll to get some kind of indication as to how the majority would prefer to handle groupings now that we have had some time to experiment with them and maybe have run into problems with them. (More specifically, the problem that group headers aren't nestable)

Please, also take a look at this thread for a discussion about the topic

Option 1:
Use only group header when there is a separate group header in the credit.
Example:

Pre-Crime
  Tom Cruise as Chief John Anderton
  Max von Sydow as Director Lamar Burgess
  Steve Harris as Jad
  Neal McDonough as Fletcher
  Patrick Kilpatrick as Knott
  Jessica Capshaw as Evanna

Option 2:
Use group header every time there is a grouping in the credits.
Example in addition to the above:

Pre-Crime Cops: Keith Campbell
                      Kirk B. R. Woller as Pre-Crime Cops
                      Klea Scott as Pre-Crime Cops
                      Frank Grillo as Pre-Crime Cops

Option 3:
Explain how you would like them.
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Personally, I vote for option 1 because of the inability to nest group headers.

By using group headers only for option one and not for option two as well, we get the header context for all the cast under that header. We lose that context for any sub-groups if we go for option two. Sure, it can look OK in the application, but the context is lost in the underlying data-structure. We will also lose the top context for the sub-group in the cast window.  The negative side I can see for option one is that we will have to repeat roles (and make them singular) for those in the sub groups, but I think the pros of the increased functionality outweigh the cons. After all, it's the data we're after.

The only pro I can see for option two is that we don't have to change plural credits for singular.

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I mentioned in the other thread as well. I'd go for option one. Just repeat the role when there is a grouping, whether the should remain plural or single is another discussion ;-)

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I find it amazing how something which is relatively uncontroversial can be turned into a controversy. As I said I don't get worked up over such things as nesting or not simply because I have no doubt that now that Ken is aware of this relatively minor issue, it will be corrected in the next release. In the meantime we simply cope with it. This is not something that affects a large quantity of film or TV, is it useful...yes...does it exist...yes....but not in LARGE quantities.

This strikes me as if an answer isn't perfectly implemented then let's forget it.

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I say use it everytime where there is a grouping, that is how I am contributing the last days.
And didn't KEn already said it should always be used when there is a grouping ?

And I agree with Skip, this is a minor issue, nothing to scratch heads 

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I say use it everytime where there is a grouping, that is how I am contributing the last days.
And didn't KEn already said it should always be used when there is a grouping ?

And I agree with Skip, this is a minor issue, nothing to scratch heads 

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He also said that nothing was set in stone.

This issue have been brought up in several threads with arguments both for and against and nothing has really come out of it. No solution to solve the problem we have now or anything. All I'm doing is trying to find out what people want, including the not so vocal users. If the majority want option one, that is great. If the majority want option two, that is ok too.

And regarding that it might be fixed in the next release. It might, we don't know that. We also don't know when the next release is. Until then, I would prefer to have data that makes sense in the context.

Also, T!M said in the other thread that he is running into this issue on a daily basis, so apparently it isn't a minor issue. (Also there are other issues that I would call minor that apparently make other people lose their hair. What one think is minor might not be so minor for others. We use the program in different ways)

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And if it continues to run fairly even as it is now? I see a lot of times when it isn't clear enough by a poll to see what a "majority" wants.

I for one want to use them whenever they are there.
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Reybr:

I personally pay NO attention to the majority since far too many incorrect changes have been implemented on the back of the majority which is one of many reasons i don't Contribute. I follow good database design and management principles and the DATA. I don't decide what i want or don't want just because. ken has implemented the dividers, he has told us HOW to do it. We have a small hiccup as it relates to nesting...give it a rest. The data looks far better with the Dividers in use than it did without them or with the nonsense of repeating every role.  Why is it necessary to try and turn everything into some sort of controversy, particularly over something so insignificant.

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Then the rules as they are, stand.

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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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I follow good database design and management principles and the DATA.


I wouldn't call it good database design to remove the data from the context when the context is a big part of the data.

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The data looks far better with the Dividers in use than it did without them or with the nonsense of repeating every role.


That's a matter of taste, but it has nothing to do with the data. It is how the data is presented. I don't care about the presentation. That can be fixed with a HTML window if I don't like how it is presented to me.

And again, what you find insignificant, might not be to others

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Then the rules as they are, stand.


If this is an answer to my question... then I feel I must remind you that the rules as they are stand no matter what this poll says. That is unless Ken decides to go with the majority. And I have seen times he has and times he hasn't. The poll could be in favor of a change a billion to one... unless Ken decides to do the change the rules as they are needs to be followed.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Then the rules as they are, stand.


If this is an answer to my question... then I feel I must remind you that the rules as they are stand no matter what this poll says.


Of course. I should have been more specific. If there is no majority either way, then I see no reason to push for a rules update

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they are not headers,the are dividers

and I really don't like how they are worded, another subject.

If we need to make a decision, use them as actor groupings.

In the above example  Pre-Crime Cops is a grouping.

Pre-Crime is a Header.

I persomally like the way I am doing it, it captures all the data, until some programmed soution comes about.

Charlie
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