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| Registered: June 19, 2007 | | Posts: 4 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why contributions are made - who makes the final choice for images. I have had clearly better images declined!
After I go to the trouble of scanning them and uploading them to add to collections. If the image is better - why would anybody decline it, and if there is ZERO votes either way - why is the default to decline - that is absolute #*@^!
If the person who declines can't see - GET SOME GLASSES, and at least give a reason for declining the image
I would have thought that people post - contribute for the benifit of ALL users of this software - so if information or images is more accurate - then logic would say that the new/updated should be accepted but that does not seem to happen.
EG, I P.M. one person that voted "NO" to an image and asked why, and the reply was - I posted the original so I wanted that one - so the image was rejected (declined) even though a blind man could see that the image that I uploaded was better.
So go figure - clicky clicky seems to me |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Images are always subjective. Did you explain in your contribution notes what you felt was better? What is better to you may not be better to others, including those that finally judge the contributions. Perhaps your contribution looks better to you because your monitor is broken, or perhaps it looks worse to the deciders because their's is broken. I've had them rejected with no No votes against them. I figure the loss is to the on-line community but i don't lose sleep over it, because i know i have a better scan (in my own humble opinion) locally.  A scan rejected is not a reflection on your worth, it's just a picture. I'm working my way through all my discs scanning covers... for me. If i think they are better than the existing on line scan i submit them. If they are rejected, and some are, i still have my own good scan. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! | | | | Last edited: by tweeter |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can understand your frustration over getting your contributions declined. Here's what I can tell you from my own experience as an active contributor.
Of course, I can only guess as to what happened to your specific contribution. From what you wrote I gathered you contributed new image scans. Image scans in general belong to the more subjective parts of the contribution process.
First of all, which of two scans of the same image is better is often obvious, but not always, especially if you don't have the DVD cover itself at hand (the contribution screeners don't have it).
Then there's the influence that for instance your PC monitor settings vs. other people's monitor settings can have on how close to the original any scan appears to be. Precise monitor calibration is an art in itself.
For these reasons, it is recommended to specify in your contribution notes in what way your scans are better than the existing ones (e.g. better image cropping, better contrast, sharper scan etc.). This gives the screeners an idea of what to look for when comparing both scans.
Giving a reason for a decline is difficult when you realise how many contributions from all over the world the screeners are supposed to process. There are a few standard sentences that are used sometimes, but not for image scans.
An entirely different reason for a decline of image scans could be that the scans you contributed were not of the original release of the DVD in question, but of a re-release with the same UPC/EAN. Unfortunately until now the Invelos database can only hold one set of scans for one UPC/EAN (within a single Locality, that is). In such cases, the original release always takes precedence and scans belonging to the re-release cannot be contributed and have to stay in your local database. Many fellow users have asked for a solution for this problem, but so far there is nothing of the sort.
I hope this can help you understand what might have gone wrong with your image scan contribution. For any future image scan contribution I would recommend:
1) to verify that what you're contributing is NOT a re-release with a different image (mind you, differences can be very subtle);
2) to specify in your contribution notes in which way your scans are better than the existing ones, as I have explained above.
I hope your negative experience will not discourage you from future contributions. It is as you say: we users contribute for the benefit of all fellow users.
Good luck!
DJ |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have no idea who makes the final decision on Cover Scans. But, there are a couple of things that might have happened. The first thing that popped into my head is that your scans, although they might be much better, may be be re-release images. One of invelos flaws, in my opinion, is that only the initial covers are the ones allowed into the online database. If anyone submits a scan that is a re-release scan it is automatically rejected. You can read the actual rules regarding this issue here: http://invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx?display=coverimages. Of course you can just keep re-release scans locally. Or, if you would like to share those covers with the community one of our members has a thread to allow you to do so. Go here: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=422971&PageNum=1. The other thing to remember is that Cover Images tend to be subjective. Differences in the calibration of monitors for example can make things appear different from what you see on your screen. When a scan comes up for voting and I feel these images are better - I automatically copy and paste them to my local database. I always lock my cover images too just in case the voters or screeners do not agree. Plus, I tend to now wait before buying DVDs. As such I tend to get re-release covers and I like my local database to actually show the covers that I own. The important thing to remember is that there are bound to be differences in opinions on subjective material and you shouldn't take these to be a slight on you or your work. Edit: As usual I was to slow and rambled on so others answered first. I too hope that you aren't too discouraged - I'll just welcome you to the club of rejected scanners! | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: June 19, 2007 | | Posts: 4 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi fellow scanners - (DVDProfiler's)
Thanks for the information, and good suggestions - all taken onboard.....
Regards |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | This used to drive me nuts as well, sometimes I thought monkeys were randomly hitting approve or deny buttons, esp. as some scans got rejected, I felt wrongly so, I re-submitted, and again with no votes either way got approved. They are subjective, although taking a few tips from others netted me much better scans and a better approval rate, I rarely get declined anymore for things with many or no voters.
Search never works for me, but if you can find any of the threads about how to get better scans, there are some great helpful tips and such in there. |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Search doesn't work for others either here. Instead just try Google with "site:invelos.com" preceding your search terms. |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles.
You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was given a few scanning tips in THIS Thread when I first got my scanner. | | | | Pete |
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