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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am updating Planet of the Apes (2001) UPC 024543028963.
The end credits list the following:
Ape Make-Up Supervisor
Key Prosthetic Make-Up
Ape Make-Up Artists
Human Make-Up Supervisor
Key Human Make-Up Artist
Human Make-Up Artist
How should these Artists be credited? | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | If i were doing it those that say "Human..." are all Make-up Artists
"Prosthetic..." would be Make-up Effects.
The two "Ape..." credits...Hmmm, not sure which category they would fall into. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is an awkward one. Personally I'd give the ape ones "make-up effects" and the human ones "make-up". And I'd probably credit them all.
Edit: I picked one of the ape make-up artists at random on IMDB and his other credits do seem to be mainly prosthetic and effects work. That's why I went with "make-up effects" for them. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Bumping this to get other input before I contribute the data. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
That is an awkward one. Personally I'd give the ape ones "make-up effects" and the human ones "make-up". And I'd probably credit them all. I agree with this. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Seems reasonable enough. |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would see the "Ape" and "Human" just as explanation for which cast group this is made.
So every crew member job that is without "Ape" or "Human" allowed within the rules I would list in the crew section matching to them in the crew table. |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is one title/audit where I'd fully agree with dividers within the make-up crew for ape and/or human.
Are we allowing "prothetics" as make-up effects now? Last time I looked they weren't on the chart and I still have dozens of them as local only crew until the rule does change. I could get busy submitting them all if they are in the rules. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,735 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
Are we allowing "prothetics" as make-up effects now? Last time I looked they weren't on the chart No, there's still no "prosthetic" anything listed as a trackable credit in the crew credits table, so, no, technically they still can't be contributed into the online database. It seems most people don't care about that, though. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
This is one title/audit where I'd fully agree with dividers within the make-up crew for ape and/or human.
Are we allowing "prothetics" as make-up effects now? Last time I looked they weren't on the chart and I still have dozens of them as local only crew until the rule does change. I could get busy submitting them all if they are in the rules. Only when it is attached to a make-up credit. 'Prosthetics by', no, 'Prosthetic Make-up by', yes. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,735 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
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Are we allowing "prothetics" as make-up effects now? Last time I looked they weren't on the chart and I still have dozens of them as local only crew until the rule does change. I could get busy submitting them all if they are in the rules.
Only when it is attached to a make-up credit. 'Prosthetics by', no, 'Prosthetic Make-up by', yes. May I ask where that distinction is made, exactly? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
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Are we allowing "prothetics" as make-up effects now? Last time I looked they weren't on the chart and I still have dozens of them as local only crew until the rule does change. I could get busy submitting them all if they are in the rules.
Only when it is attached to a make-up credit. 'Prosthetics by', no, 'Prosthetic Make-up by', yes.
May I ask where that distinction is made, exactly? It isn't, but it is how it has beed done since day one. 'Prosthetic Make-up', 'Zombie Make-up', 'Alien Make-up', etc. have all been entered as make-up effects since the day we got the credit. In my opinion, those are all correct as they are all 'make-up effects'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
it is how it has beed done since day one. It's not, actually. I happen to know that, because I asked the question on day one (as soon as the credit was added to DVD Profiler), and you told me I couldn't enter them because they weren't listed in the crew credits table. Like bigdaddyhorse, I'd like to know at which point this has officially changed. I'm guessing it hasn't. Quote:
In my opinion, those are all correct as they are all 'make-up effects'. Let me be clear: I agree with you 100% - these are indeed exactly the people the make-up effects credit is meant for. I'm just pointing out that the rules don't allow them. I gather that you choose to ignore that, and since these are indeed the people we're after, I don't really blame you - just don't come complaining the next time someone enters "functional equivalents" of any other crew credit as well... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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it is how it has beed done since day one.
It's not, actually. I happen to know that, because I asked the question on day one (as soon as the credit was added to DVD Profiler), and you told me I couldn't enter them because they weren't listed in the crew credits table. Like bigdaddyhorse, I'd like to know at which point this has officially changed. I'm guessing it hasn't. Are you sure it was me? I have always entered these types of credits...ones that are specific, but include the general credit, as the credit. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it doesn't sound like something I would say...of course, I am going by my current opinion which could have been different back then. Quote:
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In my opinion, those are all correct as they are all 'make-up effects'.
Let me be clear: I agree with you 100% - these are indeed exactly the people the make-up effects credit is meant for. I'm just pointing out that the rules don't allow them. I gather that you choose to ignore that, and since these are indeed the people we're after, I don't really blame you - just don't come complaining the next time someone enters "functional equivalents" of any other crew credit as well... I'll make you a deal. You don't tell me what I can or can't do, and I won't tell you what you can or can't do. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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In my opinion, those are all correct as they are all 'make-up effects'.
Let me be clear: I agree with you 100% - these are indeed exactly the people the make-up effects credit is meant for. I'm just pointing out that the rules don't allow them. How about supporting my thread in the Rules Committee? Its about time this was corrected. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
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