Quoting ninso4:

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What is the right way to handle Complete Series boxes in the profiler?

You are aware of "TV Series on DVD"?

Quoting ninso4:

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So handle them like a movie box set or like a normal series box set with one season?

Movie box set.
From the Contribution Rules - TV Series
"In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile."

The "rare" is nowadays of course kind of moot 

So much for the easy part. Now, the actual profiles: Do you have EAN/UPCs for the Seasons? Then:
Complete Box Set (by UPC)
|- Season 1 (by UPC)
|  |- Disc 1 (by Disc ID) OPTIONAL!
|  |- Disc 2 (by Disc ID) OPTIONAL!
|  |- etc
|- Season 2 (by UPC)
etc.

If you have only one UPC for the Complete Box Set:
Complete Box Set (by UPC)
|- Season 1 (by Disc ID of Disc 1, Season 1)
|  |- Disc 1 (manual ID, not contributable) OPTIONAL!
|  |- Disc 2 (by Disc ID) OPTIONAL!
|  |- etc
|- Season 2 (by Disc ID of Disc 1, Season 2)
etc.
After DJ Doena's remark I googled a bit around and found this old posting by Ken. So I withdraw the second suggestion and say Good Luck to anyone who must enter this dark passages to reach the light. 

cya, Mithi

For Example the german blu-ray profile of the HBO series Rome (a box with a slip cover and an amaray for each of the two seasons) has all cast/crew data in the parent profile.
Then it has two child profiles with the disc id of the first disc from season 1 and season 2.
Should the cast/crew data be removed from the parant profile?
I tried it a few days ago and got no votes like this one:

as it's a tv series the data also could be entered for the parent profile per rules

Here is the deal with those

The rules are clear in that the child profiles are optional and not required.

So given that, the "Complete Series" or a set with "multiple TV seasons" can only be treated as a traditional box set if there are valid (required) children. 

That would mean each season is in UPC based packaging.

Since the TV disc ID base profiles are optional and the rules for those profiles state that that data must roll up and additionally be in the parent profile indicates that parents cannot be TV disc ID based profiles, and of the three profile types (manual, UPC/EAN, Disc ID) the only other type of profile that is contributable parent is a UPC/EAN based profile.

Here ae some examples of sets where the seasons are in UPC based packaging

Andromeda (Complete Series)  9-318500-036544
Farscape: The Complete Series  733961-256383
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Seasons 1-7 097360-423341
Star Trek: Voyager: Seasons One - Seven 097360-553741


If the only children are optional then the parent must be able to stand on it's own and treated as a regular TV set.
To not roll up the cast and crew to the parent in these types of sets is a clear violation of the rule that allows for chid profiles.

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Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a disc, or set of discs, have their own case, use the cover images from that case. When submitting a change to an existing TV series profile that is currently a box set, do not remove the existing contents.

In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers.

Here are some examples where the seasons are not in UPC based packaging

Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series  025192-010378
Deadwood: The Complete Series  883929-1421320
Lost: The Complete Collection  786936-802368
Rome: The Complete Series  883929-074617
The Sopranos: The Complete Series  883929-225378
Stargate SG-1  027616-092489
Stargate Atlantis: The Complete Series  883904-245254
Torchwood: The Complete Original UK Series  883929-191567
The Tudors: The Complete Series 097360-733044
The West Wing: The Complete Series  012569-820005
The Wire: The Complete Series  883929-225392


Unfortunately for those that do prefer the data being child profiles have to delete it locally for the parent to create the box set model.  But not having the data in the parent clearly leaves a larger task for those that do not like child profiles.  But this is not something new.  If it were a single series with a parent it would be the same premise.

But it is clear, based on the BD/DVD combo rule and the TV child rule that Invelos wants these types of disc ID based child profiles to be optional. So unless there are changes to the rules it is what it is.

Every 6 to 8 months (it seems) a thread gets opened up on this and the same debate goes on.


Unfortunately for those that do prefer the data being child profiles have to delete it locally for the parent to create the box set model.  But not having the data in the parent clearly leaves a larger task for those that do not like child profiles.  But this is not something new.  If it were a single series with a parent it would be the same premise.

But it is clear, based on the BD/DVD combo rule and the TV child rule that Invelos wants these types of disc ID based child profiles to be optional. So unless there are changes to the rules it is what it is.

Every 6 to 8 months (it seems) a thread gets opened up on this and the same debate goes on.

In the rules for TV there is a built in redundancy as the data is concerned whether you are talking a multi season set or even a single season set (the same parent/child data redundancy exists).  Done to accommodate both types of users (those that like child profiles and those do not) and minimizing the work each type of user would have to do to locally make the profile as they choose.  Is it perfect, no.  But it is what we have.

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As you say each season is it it's own amray.  Does each of those have a UPC/EAN?

I'd guess No, because he wrote: Quoting ninso4:

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Then it has two child profiles with the disc id of the first disc from season 1 and season 2.

Whoever contributed that first did so because no UPC was available.

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Every 6 to 8 months (it seems) a thread gets opened up on this and the same debate goes on.

Yes, which in my humble opinion, shows how bad the rules are written. In this case those two basic examples in the rules would go a long way to clear the situation.

cya, Mithi

What is the UPC/EAN.  I googled for that and all I found were fan collective sets of 3-5 DVD's.

I also looked in the online DB and sis not find such a set (an Australian DVD set).  But there may be some where the title is in another language.

But even at that, soap operas do not have the concept of a "season".

I don't find that in the online database and the sites I know about for looking up an EAN 13 don't have it.

Obviously there has to be another way to find what it looks like.

Either way this one would be problematic in DVDP because it would be so huge.

As I stated before. Soap operas do not even have the "season" concept.  Even if you look in IMDB it says it is 1 season and them gives you a breakdown by year.  The rules don't really address if you have a single season with that many discs.

Although this one is problematic I don't see how this adds to the current discussion of multiple TV seasons in a single release since soap operas do not break out by seasons.

I found a complete series box who has season with ean/upc in it.
The german dvd box of Veronica Mars is box with the three season boxes in it.
The parent profile of the complete box has audio, subtitles and features in it.
The three season boxes are also parent profiles with child profiles of the discs.
Remove the audio, subtitles and features from the complete series profile or not?